Amazon to take Parler offline, the third tech giant to deplatform the rising social app in days

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My armchair non ZN user take: Your point is fair that there's risk here, if you browse anything other than the known 7 safe sites. There is a list of starter ZN sites somewhere.

But, how risky is the risk?

With zeronet, if i visit the same site, I become a CP distributer and continue to share it long after I've left.

Can you show me where the entire ZN site that you visit is downloaded and seeded? I thought it was page by page or url by url. What if there is a 10GB of data site on there, that'd be a crazy huge download.

Good discussion guys, you are Generation Next.

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Can you show me where the entire ZN site that you visit is downloaded and seeded?

https://zeronet.io/docs/faq/#what-happens-when-i-access-a-site

to quote:

Initially, a file named content.json is downloaded, which holds all other filenames, hashes and the site owner's cryptographic signature.

The downloaded content.json file is verified using the site's address and the site owner's signature from the file.

Other files (html, css, js...) are then downloaded and verified using their size and SHA512 hash from content.json.

Each visited site then becomes also served by you.

So, in order to make sure there is nothing shitty you ahve to examine content.json

With social sites that host user content, like image boards, chat rooms, etc, that content.json is dynamically updated, or contains sweeping includes.

https://zeronet.io/docs/site_development/content_json/

It really isn't designed with user security in mind, more from the angle of keeping websites up and defeating censorship.

but using the blockchain with user generated content....

https://www.bbc.com/news/technology-47130268

Forum Advice:

Many ZeroNet users are highly concerned about child pornography and the possibility of unknowingly hosting it on their computers, due to the way ZeroNet functions. One solution to this problem--and this is the approach that I have taken over the last six months--is to not go to zites on which individual users are allowed to post pictures or videos. If you never visit a zite, your computer will not host its content. Period. That means avoiding zites like 0Chan and ZeroMe.

lol. Just don't go to any sites that host images well, fuck me, might as well use a text browser in the first place.

I should also mention that there are various zites containing lists of malicious zites. A zite called "ZeroNet Moderated Directory" was just created this month to provide links to zites that have been screened for content. Right now, the list is small, and the owner of the zite has not made much of an effort to explain the criteria that he uses to screen zites. All he has said is, "All submissions will be checked to ensure they are operating and contain content, We WILL NOT list Sites with no content, Test sites, Hate sites, CP sites or any Cruelty to animal sites." The ZeroNet Moderated Directory can be found on ZeroNet here: http://127.0.0.1:43110/18QPAtqyoxriNcNAi4mkCHyoLENwTEbFyw/Directory.html .

so back in 2019, there were already a lot of sites you didn't want to go near.

Zero-net is an answer, but i'm not sure what the question is.

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Alright, you win the debate and that's a pretty thorough demolishing of Zero-net. At the very fucking least, because this debate has been raging for over a year, they should have an option to not download media files on purpose. To skip over images in content.json. Or when you browse, don't download and re-serve that shit by default.

ZN seems to be designed for static sites, making it a bad fit for social sites and sites with user uploads from the get go.

Zero-net is an answer, but i'm not sure what the question is

All I can think of is it's a decent way to share huge archives or wikipedia type stuff in a world without DNS? I'm not sure what it's solving either. Maybe it's modernizing "offline" web pages and there's some positive lessons to be learned.