49 killed in mass shooting at two mosques in Christchurch, New Zealand

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[–]magnora7 14 insightful - 1 fun14 insightful - 0 fun15 insightful - 1 fun -  (52 children)

The people definitely died and that guy definitely shot them, but there were many weird things about it. Like he literally said "Subscribe to pewdiepie" before going in while he was livestreaming it, and had some meme phrases on his guns that he showed off, and then also posted to 4chan right before going in.

Really strange. Then also he had lots of time to get away after he had shot them and apparently just kept pacing around leading to his arrest.

Then the video of him doing it is getting shut down across the internet incredibly quickly, probably because of all that strange stuff, but maybe to invoke a Streisand Effect.

This comes on the heels of facebook, instagram, and many other huge sites having partial outages yesterday.

And the guy literally said he's doing it to make gun laws get more restricted in the US, so that the 2nd amendment people would actually revolt. So he shoots up people in New Zealand.

It strikes me as strange. Not a lot of it makes sense. The guy is obviously a psycho, but he's hitting so many key cultural trigger points so exactly, it just makes me wonder.

This will end pewdiepie, almost certainly, he's apparently tied up in this quite badly and the media is going for the jugular. It might end 4chan as well. And it will probably cause a lot of problems for facebook because that's where the shooter live-streamed this.

So I think there's like a 40% chance it was a false flag. Also it could just be a real legit right-wing nutjob who was polarized and armed by agencies. So it can be real, and a false flag, at the same time. A useful patsy unknowingly working for a much broader agenda. Kind of like Timothy McVeigh seems to have been, of the OKC bombing, with the FBI.

So I guess I think it's real, but I do think the agencies are stirring the pot and probably had something to do with it. Probably helped him come up with his script, manifesto, and techniques, wouldn't be surprised. Probably just posing as some ideologically-aligned anonymous friend on an internet forum, reaching out to a man who is on his last leg. If someone wanted to cripple a few big free-speech outlets all at once, and also cause a national panic in NZ that will probably lead to tight gun laws, and also stoke panic in the US over the same thing... this would be the way to do it. Not to mention re-enforcing the divides between Muslims and Christians to keep them ideologically fighting among each other instead of against those in power.

[–]useless_aether[S] 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (16 children)

the guy is listening to some serbian nationalistic music. they fought the muslims in the balkan wars.. unless thats also part of the deception to attack serbs or nationalism in general, might be a genuine psycho

[–]magnora7 7 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 0 fun8 insightful - 1 fun -  (9 children)

Oh yeah that was another weird thing is he had a soundtrack for different stages of the attack, and the music was timed out to line up with the stages. I hadn't heard about one of them being the Serbian national anthem, that's interesting.

[–]useless_aether[S] 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (8 children)

haha, not the serbian national anthem, just a serbian nationalist song. the one with the accordion, the first one in the car. the ustashe are mentioned in it.

i think the shooting was real, but he is not acting autonomously. his manifesto is also a bit too artistic, romantic.. idk, but we will see i am sure

[–]magnora7 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

Yeah I agree. The amount of cultural planning that seems to have gone in to this act is immense. Yet the dingus was shooting out his front winshield at one point I heard, from his car, busting the windshield. Doesn't seem like a super genius guy. Not to mention he's obviously a psychopath to be able to carry out this murderous act with such premeditation. People off their rocker that bad usually aren't so in touch with all these cultural things. They're usually isolated and mad, not "memeing it up for the lulz" before they kill 50 people. Lot of red flags that the guy probably had help. And now they're saying there was 2 more shooters, and they found explosives at both Mosques (he apparently shot the first one up, which is the video that is going around, then went to a second one)

[–]Jesus 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Yup, he is an obvious psychopath but how he went about using the memes makes it obvious. It was done by some agenc, willing to use a crazy person to kill people for a geopolitical and social agenda.

[–]FormosaOolong 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Agreed, the agendas are kind of bursting at the seams on this one...

[–]useless_aether[S] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

like that pr company who came up with the story of the kuwaiti babies being thrown out of their incubators by saddams forces

[–]Jesus 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

They always leave a manifesto. Elliott Rodgers manifesto was hilarious in itself, but that shooting was laughbly fake, this one not so much.

All the cultural cues he checked off, it made it too obvious to me at least that he didn't act alone. It fits perfectly with the globalist divide and conquer agenda.

[–]useless_aether[S] 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

It fits perfectly with the globalist divide and conquer agenda.

agreed. they are hoping for copycats.

[–]magnora7 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Elliott Rodgers manifesto

I wonder if you could compare the two manifestos and see lots of similarities... If the manifestos are "scripted" (maybe not directly written by them, but by basically telling the killer what to write by influencing them) then they should be largely the same, right?

[–]FormosaOolong 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

i agree, he seems so "manufactured."

[–]FormosaOolong 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

yes this is entirely weird...

[–]useless_aether[S] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

and there is more serbian and montenegrin related stuff written on his gear, than anything else, yet in his manifesto he claims he is scottish, english and irish stock. i call bs. this is a serbian guy imo.

but it reveals, that the psyop is aimed at the english-scottish-irish stock instead. eg nz and maybe the complete anglosphere.

Explanations and Histories of Writings on Mosque-shooter's Guns https://old.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/b1h573/explanations_and_histories_of_writings_on/

[–]FormosaOolong 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

thanks. can you point me to the manifesto?

[–]useless_aether[S] 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

https://www.blazingcatfur.ca/wp-content/uploads/2019/03/The-Great-Replacement.pdf

[–]FormosaOolong 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Thanks, UA. I'm getting so paranoid now I feel like we're all going on extra lists just for looking at it or talking about it!

[–]useless_aether[S] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

no way, the whole world is talking about it!

[–][deleted] 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

What... The shooter was into hating Muslims and stricter gun laws in another country and PewDiePie? Too much.

[–]magnora7 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Yeah it's effing bizarre man. Sets off a lot of red flags for me, doesn't look natural at all. It reads like a piece of theater (other than the fact 49 people are now actually dead).

[–]Jesus 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Seems like mossad or some operative. The narrative fits too perfectly with everything.

[–]useless_aether[S] 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

mossad

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/australiaandthepacific/newzealand/8649223/Mossad-spy-ring-unearthed-because-of-Christchurch-earthquake.html

[–]magnora7 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Nice find. NZ is part of 5-eyes too, the intelligence agency 5-country network

[–]Jesus 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Do NOT forget pewdiepie. The whole narrative where he dressed up like hitler and used a company owned by an Israel company to hire people to say "death to all jews, " as a joke of course and then mainstream media picked it up, why? He isn't some regular videogamer, he's rich and plays a part. The entire narrative was used to censor truthseekers and anyone questioning any narrative. Pewdiepie even said sorry and played it off like it was all his fault. Something is very odd with him. I would not doubt that they used the hegalien dialectic to push for censorship by paying the top youtuber. Most Youtubers are actors and scumbags anyway.

[–]magnora7 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Yeah you're probably right, I think he's just covering his ass though. He knows this is like a whole new tier of badness than even his n-word problem from a few months ago

[–]Jesus 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

That's true.

[–]Jesus 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (24 children)

This will end pewdiepie, almost certainly, he's apparently tied up in this quite badly and the media is going for the jugular. It might end 4chan as well. And it will probably cause a lot of problems for facebook because that's where the shooter live-streamed this.

Seems like problem, reaction, solution to me. The only way to find out about what really happened, is to find information on the shooter, his connections, birth records, etc.

[–]magnora7 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (23 children)

I agree on the problem, reaction, solution diagnosis.

I'm not even sure that would reveal anything if you had that extra info, it's possible he had just spent a lifetime getting mad, then found a connection with an agency in the last year without realizing who he was talking to.

[–]Jesus 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (22 children)

Also, in his manifesto he says the perfect nation is China. Interesting. He obviously, isn't a fan of guns, even though he used them to kill 49 people. What is his religion? He says he is Christian, yet he thinks the perfect nation is China, the country that persecutes Christians. He's all over the place.

[–]magnora7 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (21 children)

Yeah it's not cohesive or self-consistent. Not very well thought-out, but very attention-grabbing, loaded with emotional trigger words and phrases.

And on top of it he even says he's against anti-semitism and that is the only time he mentions that subject, or anything related to it including Israel and Zionism, in the entire manifesto apparently. Seems a rather glaring omission given the scope of the document.

[–]Jesus 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

New Zealand recently voted at the UN to adopt 9 new measure against Israel due to their anti-humanitarian ways:

http://www.jwire.com.au/new-zealand-votes-for-eight-un-anti-israel-resolutions/

Israel and its supporters of course were rather pissed:

https://aijac.org.au/australia-israel-review/air-new-zealand-wellingtons-un-votes-cause-concern/ Apparently New Zealand’s voting record at the UN lately has shown that they actually find it concerning that Israel continues to decimate Palestinians and dominate the Middle East as they see fit.

Were these attacks punishments? A message to New Zealand authority?

I agree, I think it would take highly trained, highly skilled individuals to pull these attacks off.

[–]FormosaOolong 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Hmmm...another interesting twist.

[–]magnora7 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Interesting. Could be in response to that. I don't think Israel gives a shit about the UN though. They vote resolutions against Israel all the time, and nothing comes of it.

NZ is part of the 5-eyes program though, I feel like they're very controlled. But maybe this was a yank of the leash.

[–]Jesus 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

Yeah, a so called Christian shooting innocent muslims in 'Christchurch' on social media, whislt social media websites go dark days before, having numerous problems, whislt these same social media companies need a reason to further censor and ban anyone who questions governmental backed media narratives, whilst his meme sketches etched in his guns like the fake Q conspiracy created by the state department to further increase censorship, whilst he denounces immigrants and calling them “invaders”, a check agaisnt the big bad Trump actor, whilst he says the perfect nationstate is China, and hates anti-semitism.

It's check mark, after check mark. All his manifesto does, if it is his, is create division and distraction. I'm leaning on this one being an operative job. VERY MUCH LIKE the real shooting in TAZ, AUS. But in this case they jsut used a crazy guy to do it. In the latter case they framed a kid who had a 66 IQ.

[–]magnora7 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

Yeah it almost reads like a huge list of deep state disinformation talking points. Like almost exactly.

I wonder if you could get all the manifestos from all the shootings that are thought to be agency-aided, and if you could cross-compare them to pick out certain talking points that are the same across all of them.

[–]FormosaOolong 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

Yeah it almost reads like a huge list of deep state disinformation talking points.

Holy shit, yes. All dressed up in a first-person shooter action-game package :(

[–]useless_aether[S] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

might be wrong but i think the unabomber, and his manifesto are genuine

[–]FormosaOolong 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

agreed

[–]magnora7 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Yeah pretty much. Seems to be the case.

[–]Jesus 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

He even threw obviously ironic things like the navy seal copypasta and spyro next to the Trump and Nazi shit so everyone would interpret with their pre conceived notions. He also claimed in the manifesto to be a member of a new order of the Knight Templars and a supporter of U.S. President Donald Trump who he sees as “as a symbol of renewed white identity and common purpose,” which is how the president is often depicted by mainstream media despite his many clarifications that his policy decisions are not based on race.

But anti-semitism is bad. According to him. oh and china is awesome according to him.

[–]magnora7 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Yeah I heard about the navy seal copypasta. It just seems so weird to do 4chan memes and jokes as part of a manifesto. So unserious, and unprofessional, for lack of a better word. You'd think if you were about to give your life to explain your worldview to everyone, that you'd be at least mostly serious about it. This guy's a joker. It's weird.

Yes, the saying Trump is god and making all the race and racist associations is another perfect example of something super controversial that he has now just poured gasoline on a fire.

He basically seems to be spreading disinformation, trolling, and claiming it as his worldview. Before killing 49 people. Weird as hell.

[–]useless_aether[S] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

navy seal copypasta

that was a bit too much for me too

[–]Jesus 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Gaza was being bombed whilst the shootign went down also.

What is the 4chan credo, the one thing a guy radicalized on 8chan would absolutely believe?

"Jews are the true enemy, non-whites are simply their tool to pollute and weaken our countries."

Go on 4 and 8chan, it's everywhere.

Seriously, this is the cornerstone of their beliefs. What did this guy have to say about Jews/Israel?

No problem with Israel, enjoy your homeland buddies!

[–]magnora7 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Yeah if this guy posted his manifesto on 4chan they'd call him a shill and ignore him. The mainstream culture doesn't really align with this guy's manifesto at all. He's more like those idiotic "Q" followers which is another intelligence agency invention designed to keep people passive, and thinking revolutionary change for the better is just around the corner, if they just keep waiting. 4chan hates the Q people now because it's been proven fake so many times.

[–]Jesus 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

And then there’s also this Mossad connection to an Israeli spyring operating in New Zealand that happened to be unearthed due to an earth quake and damage at Christchurch back in 2011...interesting.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/australiaandthepacific/newzealand/8649223/Mossad-spy-ring-unearthed-because-of-Christchurch-earthquake.html

[–]Jesus 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

And like clockwork: https://www.radionz.co.nz/news/political/384838/christchurch-mosque-terror-attacks-our-gun-laws-will-change-prime-minister-jacinda-ardern

[–]magnora7 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

just literally posted that to a post, good timing. https://saidit.net/s/WorldNews/comments/fxl/nz_prime_minister_jacinda_ardern_said_following/

[–]Jesus 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

This is exactly like Australia and tazmania. The government of AUS said two months beofre the Taz shooting we need a shooting in Tazmania of mass proportions to pass any real legislation for Australia and sure enough it happened. What is especially interesting is prime minister of AUS, John Howard's behavior during the legislative process of banning guns. He acted like the banning of guns wasn't his doing. He used the words 'They' are doing this. As if someone ABOVE GOVERNMENT had measures to ban guns and HE, Howard, had to abide to them. I call them internationalists.

[–]Jesus 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

https://www.invidio.us/watch?v=b1JQ1uvYuMY

https://www.change.org/p/the-hon-will-hodgman-mp-martin-bryant-deserves-a-lawful-coronial-inquest-and-for-all-our-sakes

https://cairnsnews.files.wordpress.com/2016/07/advanced-obituary-martin-bryant.pdf

Good documentary about the Port Arthur Shooting

and even better book

https://www.amazon.com/Murder-Keith-Allan-Noble-2013-07-19/dp/B01FEM6V10/ref=sr_1_2?qid=1552691607&refinements=p_27%3AKeith+Allan+Noble&s=books&sr=1-2

https://www.bookdepository.com/Mass-Murder-Keith-Allan-Noble/9783000028410

The book below is a disinformation agent. Vialls should not be trusted.

http://ozff.org/downloads/PORT-ARTHUR-MASSACRE-FalseFlagReport-JoeVialls.pdf

[–]Jesus 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Global leaders [who] criticized social media giants Facebook, Twitter, and Google over their handling of extremist content on their platforms on Friday, after video footage of mass shootings at two mosques in New Zealand was live streamed and widely shared online.

reuters

Problem Reaction Solution.

[–]FormosaOolong 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

here we go...

[–]FormosaOolong 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

So it can be real, and a false flag, at the same time. A useful patsy unknowingly working for a much broader agenda. Kind of like Timothy McVeigh seems to have been, of the OKC bombing, with the FBI.

Bingo