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[–]codywohlers 10 insightful - 1 fun10 insightful - 0 fun11 insightful - 1 fun -  (11 children)

very sad. The shooter live-streamed it and any links to the video are being removed. The video is very graphic but it an age of fake news, having an original video of a crime is very important to help seek the truth.

[–]useless_aether[S] 7 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 0 fun8 insightful - 1 fun -  (10 children)

[–]FormosaOolong 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (7 children)

thank you for posting this (I think). it is important to archive this before the political agendas start skewing what is already a fucking horrorshow

ETA: should have watched it all, there's now a meme there instead

[–]useless_aether[S] 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (6 children)

i have it saved, but not sure where to upload..

[–]FormosaOolong 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Good on you for saving it. It's viewable again at the link you posted above.

[–]Doob 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

http://i.4cdn.org/pol/1552743143063.jpg

Here is the manifesto to go along with the video.

[–]Jesus 8 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 0 fun9 insightful - 1 fun -  (8 children)

Also. watching this makes me realize it might be good not to ban guns. If say 5 people had a gun in there, or many were armed, the shooter would be getting in a gun fight with at least one of them. Allowing those unarmed to get away. He could be kileld fairly quickly too if he was outnumbered. They were all sitting ducks, they could not do anything, they couldn't shoot back. Guns in the hands of good people makes plenty of sense to me.

[–]d3rr 8 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 0 fun9 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

Works for Texas. Respectable gun owners prevent further crime all the time, it just doesn't get reported on.

[–]Jesus 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

I've been to Austin. Texas gets a bad rap but Texans are seriously the nicest people in the US.

[–]d3rr 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

I hate everything Dallas related but I try to give the rest of them the benefit of the doubt. Yeah Austin seems pretty cool.

[–]ffflowww 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Except we're forgetting that this is the first mass shooting in NZ in 28 years

[–]useless_aether[S] 6 insightful - 2 fun6 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 2 fun -  (75 children)

false flag or not?

[–]magnora7 14 insightful - 1 fun14 insightful - 0 fun15 insightful - 1 fun -  (52 children)

The people definitely died and that guy definitely shot them, but there were many weird things about it. Like he literally said "Subscribe to pewdiepie" before going in while he was livestreaming it, and had some meme phrases on his guns that he showed off, and then also posted to 4chan right before going in.

Really strange. Then also he had lots of time to get away after he had shot them and apparently just kept pacing around leading to his arrest.

Then the video of him doing it is getting shut down across the internet incredibly quickly, probably because of all that strange stuff, but maybe to invoke a Streisand Effect.

This comes on the heels of facebook, instagram, and many other huge sites having partial outages yesterday.

And the guy literally said he's doing it to make gun laws get more restricted in the US, so that the 2nd amendment people would actually revolt. So he shoots up people in New Zealand.

It strikes me as strange. Not a lot of it makes sense. The guy is obviously a psycho, but he's hitting so many key cultural trigger points so exactly, it just makes me wonder.

This will end pewdiepie, almost certainly, he's apparently tied up in this quite badly and the media is going for the jugular. It might end 4chan as well. And it will probably cause a lot of problems for facebook because that's where the shooter live-streamed this.

So I think there's like a 40% chance it was a false flag. Also it could just be a real legit right-wing nutjob who was polarized and armed by agencies. So it can be real, and a false flag, at the same time. A useful patsy unknowingly working for a much broader agenda. Kind of like Timothy McVeigh seems to have been, of the OKC bombing, with the FBI.

So I guess I think it's real, but I do think the agencies are stirring the pot and probably had something to do with it. Probably helped him come up with his script, manifesto, and techniques, wouldn't be surprised. Probably just posing as some ideologically-aligned anonymous friend on an internet forum, reaching out to a man who is on his last leg. If someone wanted to cripple a few big free-speech outlets all at once, and also cause a national panic in NZ that will probably lead to tight gun laws, and also stoke panic in the US over the same thing... this would be the way to do it. Not to mention re-enforcing the divides between Muslims and Christians to keep them ideologically fighting among each other instead of against those in power.

[–]useless_aether[S] 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (16 children)

the guy is listening to some serbian nationalistic music. they fought the muslims in the balkan wars.. unless thats also part of the deception to attack serbs or nationalism in general, might be a genuine psycho

[–]magnora7 7 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 0 fun8 insightful - 1 fun -  (9 children)

Oh yeah that was another weird thing is he had a soundtrack for different stages of the attack, and the music was timed out to line up with the stages. I hadn't heard about one of them being the Serbian national anthem, that's interesting.

[–]useless_aether[S] 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (8 children)

haha, not the serbian national anthem, just a serbian nationalist song. the one with the accordion, the first one in the car. the ustashe are mentioned in it.

i think the shooting was real, but he is not acting autonomously. his manifesto is also a bit too artistic, romantic.. idk, but we will see i am sure

[–]magnora7 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

Yeah I agree. The amount of cultural planning that seems to have gone in to this act is immense. Yet the dingus was shooting out his front winshield at one point I heard, from his car, busting the windshield. Doesn't seem like a super genius guy. Not to mention he's obviously a psychopath to be able to carry out this murderous act with such premeditation. People off their rocker that bad usually aren't so in touch with all these cultural things. They're usually isolated and mad, not "memeing it up for the lulz" before they kill 50 people. Lot of red flags that the guy probably had help. And now they're saying there was 2 more shooters, and they found explosives at both Mosques (he apparently shot the first one up, which is the video that is going around, then went to a second one)

[–]Jesus 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Yup, he is an obvious psychopath but how he went about using the memes makes it obvious. It was done by some agenc, willing to use a crazy person to kill people for a geopolitical and social agenda.

[–]FormosaOolong 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Agreed, the agendas are kind of bursting at the seams on this one...

[–]useless_aether[S] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

like that pr company who came up with the story of the kuwaiti babies being thrown out of their incubators by saddams forces

[–]Jesus 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

They always leave a manifesto. Elliott Rodgers manifesto was hilarious in itself, but that shooting was laughbly fake, this one not so much.

All the cultural cues he checked off, it made it too obvious to me at least that he didn't act alone. It fits perfectly with the globalist divide and conquer agenda.

[–]useless_aether[S] 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

It fits perfectly with the globalist divide and conquer agenda.

agreed. they are hoping for copycats.

[–]magnora7 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Elliott Rodgers manifesto

I wonder if you could compare the two manifestos and see lots of similarities... If the manifestos are "scripted" (maybe not directly written by them, but by basically telling the killer what to write by influencing them) then they should be largely the same, right?

[–]FormosaOolong 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

i agree, he seems so "manufactured."

[–]FormosaOolong 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

yes this is entirely weird...

[–]useless_aether[S] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

and there is more serbian and montenegrin related stuff written on his gear, than anything else, yet in his manifesto he claims he is scottish, english and irish stock. i call bs. this is a serbian guy imo.

but it reveals, that the psyop is aimed at the english-scottish-irish stock instead. eg nz and maybe the complete anglosphere.

Explanations and Histories of Writings on Mosque-shooter's Guns https://old.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/b1h573/explanations_and_histories_of_writings_on/

[–]FormosaOolong 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

thanks. can you point me to the manifesto?

[–]d3rr 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

What... The shooter was into hating Muslims and stricter gun laws in another country and PewDiePie? Too much.

[–]magnora7 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Yeah it's effing bizarre man. Sets off a lot of red flags for me, doesn't look natural at all. It reads like a piece of theater (other than the fact 49 people are now actually dead).

[–]Jesus 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Seems like mossad or some operative. The narrative fits too perfectly with everything.

[–]useless_aether[S] 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

[–]magnora7 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Nice find. NZ is part of 5-eyes too, the intelligence agency 5-country network

[–]Jesus 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Do NOT forget pewdiepie. The whole narrative where he dressed up like hitler and used a company owned by an Israel company to hire people to say "death to all jews, " as a joke of course and then mainstream media picked it up, why? He isn't some regular videogamer, he's rich and plays a part. The entire narrative was used to censor truthseekers and anyone questioning any narrative. Pewdiepie even said sorry and played it off like it was all his fault. Something is very odd with him. I would not doubt that they used the hegalien dialectic to push for censorship by paying the top youtuber. Most Youtubers are actors and scumbags anyway.

[–]magnora7 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Yeah you're probably right, I think he's just covering his ass though. He knows this is like a whole new tier of badness than even his n-word problem from a few months ago

[–]Jesus 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

That's true.

[–]Jesus 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (24 children)

This will end pewdiepie, almost certainly, he's apparently tied up in this quite badly and the media is going for the jugular. It might end 4chan as well. And it will probably cause a lot of problems for facebook because that's where the shooter live-streamed this.

Seems like problem, reaction, solution to me. The only way to find out about what really happened, is to find information on the shooter, his connections, birth records, etc.

[–]magnora7 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (23 children)

I agree on the problem, reaction, solution diagnosis.

I'm not even sure that would reveal anything if you had that extra info, it's possible he had just spent a lifetime getting mad, then found a connection with an agency in the last year without realizing who he was talking to.

[–]Jesus 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (22 children)

Also, in his manifesto he says the perfect nation is China. Interesting. He obviously, isn't a fan of guns, even though he used them to kill 49 people. What is his religion? He says he is Christian, yet he thinks the perfect nation is China, the country that persecutes Christians. He's all over the place.

[–]magnora7 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (21 children)

Yeah it's not cohesive or self-consistent. Not very well thought-out, but very attention-grabbing, loaded with emotional trigger words and phrases.

And on top of it he even says he's against anti-semitism and that is the only time he mentions that subject, or anything related to it including Israel and Zionism, in the entire manifesto apparently. Seems a rather glaring omission given the scope of the document.

[–]Jesus 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

New Zealand recently voted at the UN to adopt 9 new measure against Israel due to their anti-humanitarian ways:

http://www.jwire.com.au/new-zealand-votes-for-eight-un-anti-israel-resolutions/

Israel and its supporters of course were rather pissed:

https://aijac.org.au/australia-israel-review/air-new-zealand-wellingtons-un-votes-cause-concern/ Apparently New Zealand’s voting record at the UN lately has shown that they actually find it concerning that Israel continues to decimate Palestinians and dominate the Middle East as they see fit.

Were these attacks punishments? A message to New Zealand authority?

I agree, I think it would take highly trained, highly skilled individuals to pull these attacks off.

[–]FormosaOolong 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Hmmm...another interesting twist.

[–]magnora7 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Interesting. Could be in response to that. I don't think Israel gives a shit about the UN though. They vote resolutions against Israel all the time, and nothing comes of it.

NZ is part of the 5-eyes program though, I feel like they're very controlled. But maybe this was a yank of the leash.

[–]Jesus 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

Yeah, a so called Christian shooting innocent muslims in 'Christchurch' on social media, whislt social media websites go dark days before, having numerous problems, whislt these same social media companies need a reason to further censor and ban anyone who questions governmental backed media narratives, whilst his meme sketches etched in his guns like the fake Q conspiracy created by the state department to further increase censorship, whilst he denounces immigrants and calling them “invaders”, a check agaisnt the big bad Trump actor, whilst he says the perfect nationstate is China, and hates anti-semitism.

It's check mark, after check mark. All his manifesto does, if it is his, is create division and distraction. I'm leaning on this one being an operative job. VERY MUCH LIKE the real shooting in TAZ, AUS. But in this case they jsut used a crazy guy to do it. In the latter case they framed a kid who had a 66 IQ.

[–]magnora7 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

Yeah it almost reads like a huge list of deep state disinformation talking points. Like almost exactly.

I wonder if you could get all the manifestos from all the shootings that are thought to be agency-aided, and if you could cross-compare them to pick out certain talking points that are the same across all of them.

[–]FormosaOolong 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

Yeah it almost reads like a huge list of deep state disinformation talking points.

Holy shit, yes. All dressed up in a first-person shooter action-game package :(

[–]useless_aether[S] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

might be wrong but i think the unabomber, and his manifesto are genuine

[–]magnora7 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Yeah pretty much. Seems to be the case.

[–]Jesus 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

He even threw obviously ironic things like the navy seal copypasta and spyro next to the Trump and Nazi shit so everyone would interpret with their pre conceived notions. He also claimed in the manifesto to be a member of a new order of the Knight Templars and a supporter of U.S. President Donald Trump who he sees as “as a symbol of renewed white identity and common purpose,” which is how the president is often depicted by mainstream media despite his many clarifications that his policy decisions are not based on race.

But anti-semitism is bad. According to him. oh and china is awesome according to him.

[–]magnora7 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Yeah I heard about the navy seal copypasta. It just seems so weird to do 4chan memes and jokes as part of a manifesto. So unserious, and unprofessional, for lack of a better word. You'd think if you were about to give your life to explain your worldview to everyone, that you'd be at least mostly serious about it. This guy's a joker. It's weird.

Yes, the saying Trump is god and making all the race and racist associations is another perfect example of something super controversial that he has now just poured gasoline on a fire.

He basically seems to be spreading disinformation, trolling, and claiming it as his worldview. Before killing 49 people. Weird as hell.

[–]useless_aether[S] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

navy seal copypasta

that was a bit too much for me too

[–]Jesus 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Gaza was being bombed whilst the shootign went down also.

What is the 4chan credo, the one thing a guy radicalized on 8chan would absolutely believe?

"Jews are the true enemy, non-whites are simply their tool to pollute and weaken our countries."

Go on 4 and 8chan, it's everywhere.

Seriously, this is the cornerstone of their beliefs. What did this guy have to say about Jews/Israel?

No problem with Israel, enjoy your homeland buddies!

[–]magnora7 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Yeah if this guy posted his manifesto on 4chan they'd call him a shill and ignore him. The mainstream culture doesn't really align with this guy's manifesto at all. He's more like those idiotic "Q" followers which is another intelligence agency invention designed to keep people passive, and thinking revolutionary change for the better is just around the corner, if they just keep waiting. 4chan hates the Q people now because it's been proven fake so many times.

[–]Jesus 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

And then there’s also this Mossad connection to an Israeli spyring operating in New Zealand that happened to be unearthed due to an earth quake and damage at Christchurch back in 2011...interesting.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/australiaandthepacific/newzealand/8649223/Mossad-spy-ring-unearthed-because-of-Christchurch-earthquake.html

[–]Jesus 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

[–]magnora7 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

[–]Jesus 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

This is exactly like Australia and tazmania. The government of AUS said two months beofre the Taz shooting we need a shooting in Tazmania of mass proportions to pass any real legislation for Australia and sure enough it happened. What is especially interesting is prime minister of AUS, John Howard's behavior during the legislative process of banning guns. He acted like the banning of guns wasn't his doing. He used the words 'They' are doing this. As if someone ABOVE GOVERNMENT had measures to ban guns and HE, Howard, had to abide to them. I call them internationalists.

[–]Jesus 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Global leaders [who] criticized social media giants Facebook, Twitter, and Google over their handling of extremist content on their platforms on Friday, after video footage of mass shootings at two mosques in New Zealand was live streamed and widely shared online.

reuters

Problem Reaction Solution.

[–]FormosaOolong 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

here we go...

[–]FormosaOolong 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

So it can be real, and a false flag, at the same time. A useful patsy unknowingly working for a much broader agenda. Kind of like Timothy McVeigh seems to have been, of the OKC bombing, with the FBI.

Bingo

[–]codywohlers 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

definitely good crowd control practice

Christchurch was put on lockdown, with all schools and council buildings shut and roads closed across the city.

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New Zealand Police alerted us to a video on Facebook ... and we removed both the shooter's Facebook account and the video. We're also removing any praise or support for the crime...

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Twitter has removed an account it believes is linked to the suspect in the shooting and is working to keep the video of the incident off its platform ... Twitter has rigorous processes and a dedicated team in place for managing exigent and emergency situations such as this

[–]useless_aether[S] 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

[–]Jesus 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (19 children)

Since they can fake atrocities like the Brussels unbombing and pulse night club psyop shooting where they created aliases and fake victims, I now have to witness deaths via footage. The narrative of this shooting is pretty off the walls dumb with the manifesto in all but it could be a false flag, real or hoax.

Anyone have legit footage with blood. Not staged photos and moulage which these crisis management corporations use.

Edit:footage seems real.

[–]magnora7 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (18 children)

Interesting this NZ event and the pulse club shooting both had exactly 49 murders. Probably just a coincidence though.

[–]onetwo 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (19 children)

edit: after seeing the full video it seems real, sadly...

[–]useless_aether[S] 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (16 children)

[–]Jesus 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (14 children)

I watched 9 minutes in when he shot everyone. Yeah, they are not blanks like in many of the US psyop shootings but his manifesto is odd. He seems like he didn't do this alone. More like this was concoted by some agency for a covert agenda.

It would not load after 9 minutues WHAT HAPPENS AFTER THAT?

[–]useless_aether[S] 7 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 0 fun8 insightful - 1 fun -  (13 children)

he shoots at the piled up victims, then goes out and shoots two more people on the street, goes to his car to get another rifle, also grabs a gas canister, but changes his mind, and goes back to the mosque parking lot, shoots two more, goes back inside to shoot everyone individually once more, goes back outside shoots a woman on the street, goes back to his car and drives away, but keeps shooting through his windshield and car windows at more people with a shotgun.. then he just drives overtaking everyone on the road and talks a little bit, how it all went as planned and the video ends but i think there should be more, because he is on his way to the second mosque, he entered it into his car gps

[–]magnora7 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (6 children)

goes back inside to shoot everyone individually once more

Jesus, that's bizarrely thorough of him to do that. Also kind of seems like a waste of time if your goal is to kill as many as possible though. I wonder why he did that.

[–]useless_aether[S] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

at that point there was noone left to shoot at, just these wounded

[–]magnora7 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

I see. But why not move on to the next mosque? Because he had extra time left on his schedule he had to burn a few mins before going to mosque 2 to continue shooting? Seems odd

[–]Jesus 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

Everything about this shooting is odd. However, if you take into account the NZ gun control agenda jsut months before, the racial divide, divide and conquer and everythign else globalists what to achieve, it makes perfect sense.

The TAZ, AUS shooting blamed on Michael Bryant, who had a 66 IQ did NOT do the shooting. never even had a trial. Most witnesses of the event do not even believe he did it but the media said he was guilty the day it happened.

Through research the shotoer double tapped many people in the head from the hip according to police reports. I have a documentary about it but people say they knwo who the shooter was and he did indeed have connections with Israeli intelligence and the office of international engagnement. Offshoot of DHS in the US. The same organization that conducts PSYOPS in the US.

[–]magnora7 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

The TAZ, AUS shooting blamed on Michael Bryant, who had a 66 IQ did NOT do the shooting. never even had a trial. Most witnesses of the event do not even believe he did it but the media said he was guilty the day it happened.

I've never heard of this shooting event before, thanks for bringing it to everyone's attention.

Interesting about the Israeli connection. Like the NYPD trains in Krav Maga in Israel with the IDF. I think lots of departments do. It's pretty strange tbh

[–]Jesus 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

TAZ

I sent a book and a documentary to you in a comment.

I think John Howard was fooled (he would never do anything that bad and didn't believe the left would either but, he was wrong) as it has always been a Labor party, left wing, UN, Communist ploy to take guns from the people. He probably didn't know that it had been set up by the people who control the world governments from those back rooms. Obviously a professional job with some local police having inside information that can't be explained by the evidence. But the shooting was seriously much bigger than John Howard.

Too many preparations for the incident, the media conference to bring it world wide so quickly, the hospital training for it, the police sent on a decoy job, the preparations for taking the bodies that had been built before the incident, Barry Unsworth's statement about the incident 7 years earlier, the use of infra red vision at the farm to tell the police to send their men back, two shooters on top of the buildings keeping the police away, shooting heard upstairs while Bryant was on the phone downstairs, access to police radio to start the shooting, the use of a similar vehicle and doppleganger or look alike man to set up Bryant, even though witnesses at the cafe who saw the shooter said it was nto him, the lack of forensic evidence, casings, bullets, keeping the coroner away and the delay in getting police in there. Not to mention the gun lobby statements and their members being at the scene.

These large shootings in my personal opinion are done by internationalist elements.

Not a fan of Richie Allan but this is a good interview. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gUrv_3dw4ac

Watch the video though.

[–]Jesus 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Saw it. I felt horrible for that lady on the sidewalk. Disgusting. Why does it always have to be innocent people.

[–]Jesus 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

Why did he stay? He could have gotten away. Seems weird. Did he shoot up the 2nd one too?

[–]useless_aether[S] 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

Did he shoot up the 2nd one too?

yes, i think so, thats what was reported.

i tried, the video link is alive again

[–]magnora7 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

And I think that's where the found the other 2 gunman, who I guess were meeting up with him there or something?

[–]useless_aether[S] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

idk how the second mosque went down, but there were fewer victims there. seven maybe?

[–]magnora7 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Me neither, it basically sounds like they arrested all 3 at the second mosque soon after they arrived. And the other 2 were just waiting around for him to finish the first one I guess? Then they were going to explode both with the explosives? Seems to have been the plan

[–]magnora7 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Break down of the video for anyone interested, because I know a lot of people don't want to watch the video and I don't blame them:

start to 6:00 - he is driving his car, guns sitting in the passenger seat

6:15 - grabs guns from trunk, begins to walk inside

6:35 - walks up to entrance, shoots first person in doorway without any hesitation

7:04 - rapid firing at everyone, approx 15 dead at this point, walking through main hallway

7:05 - one guy tries to actually stop him, bare handed and is shot point-blank

7:30 - reloads for the 3rd time, but walks backward to pick up a magazine he apparently dropped on the ground and uses it to reload

7:50 - gun jams, he clears the jam and reloads, then continues to fire at the unmoving piles of bodies already on the ground, now totaling about 30 people. No one alive is visible, blood is clearly pooling under some of them and the bodies are obviously getting hit by bullets

8:45 - he runs out of the mosque, out of targets to shoot, apparently

9:00 - he gets out to the sidewalk where his hatchback is parked in an alleyway. He fires down both sidewalk directions, but there doesn't seem to be anyone there.

9:21 - he gets back to his car, puts the gun he was using in the trunk, grabs another gun that looks very similar. Then grabs a red gasoline can but almost immediately sets it back down. The bags the guns are covered by all say "Proudly Kiwi" and look new. The guns all have words written all over them in white dry-erase

9:50 - he begins pacing up and down the sidewalk, looking for targets, but not seeing any. He's just kind of blindly shooting at very distant targets down the sidewalk but I don't actually see anyone.

10:10 - he says "[something] get the bird these days, boys" then fires more shots down some alleyways connected to the sidewalk, at nothing

10:20 - he re-enters the mosque. The bodies have leaked a lot of blood, no one is moving except immediately after being shot, he shoots almost every single body at least one more time, one by one.

11:52 - he runs back out to the sidewalk. The woman he shot in the street earlier is screaming "help me" over and over, he shoots her twice and they very obviously connect (definitely not blanks)

12:17 - gets back in the car, driving over the woman he just shot to pull out of the alleyway

12:35 - he says something to the livestream, laughs comfortably, and begins to add the next mosque's location in his GPS mounted to his windshield as he drives

12:50 - while driving, he pulls out a shotgun and shoots through the front windshield twice, but the windshield does not break or get a hole in it? I am particularly confused about this moment

13:14 - he then again reloads the shotgun, and fires directly in to his own front windshield, at other cars on the road parked on the side of the road that do not appear to have people in them. But the shotgun is clearly detonating, so I do not understand why the window is not breaking and no bullets seem to be coming out. Shotgun blanks? I think even blanks would break a window though when the end of the muzzle is literally touching the window and he fires 4 separate times and the gun clearly goes off.

13:18 - Then without putting in more shells, he stops the car, turns his body and shoots the shotgun out the passenger side window. The whole side window explodes, as you'd expect the front windshield to have done. Then he takes a shot at seeming nothing through the broken window, but he's out of ammo and it clicks empty. He puts down the gun on the passenger seat and resumes driving.

13:49 - he adjusts the car radio?

14:09 - stops for pedestrians, then honks when they're taking too long

14:20 - says "they've got that instantly" or something and laughs and then says something like like "tension and ease of access, if you give people easy access you can't fuck yourself" in a very lighthearted tone. I can't really understand what he is saying.

14:45 - says something like "It's time for a funeral" "Shit happens" "There were so many people parked at the carpark there" and a few other things. Then he just keeps driving and talking to himself while peppy techno music plays in the background.

Video ends at 16:55. No indication he ended it intentionally, it just abruptly cuts off.

[–]useless_aether[S] 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

he is not using blanks, thats for sure

[–]Jesus 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Can you link it. I don't believe anything these days, because internationalists stage, and conduct psyops all the time. I mean hos manifesto is laughable. Is there blood? Shell casings, are they blanks?

In his manifesto, he identified himself as a 28-year-old man born in Australia. He listed his white nationalist heroes, described what he said motivated him to attack, and said he purposely used guns to stir discord in the United States around the Second Amendment.

[–]Jesus 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

The news is now saying he was a former communist turned eco-fascist. A christian who thinks other christians are his brothers but also thinks China is the perfect nationstate.

[–]magnora7 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

And thinks Jews are great, and Muslims are terrible. And that America needs a revolution that he will invoke by accelerating the rate of gun law clampdowns, by killing people in new zealand. That's just crazy accelerationism that won't even work. "Let's make it way worse so that people HAVE to fix it" is generally bad logic and typically just an excuse to do something rash.

Not a smart guy, judging by what he wrote

[–]Jesus 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Remember the Nice, France attacks? Happened right after anti Israel things. Just like this one with the gaza bombing.

[–]magnora7 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Good points, but some of these are years later right, so we can't really draw hard conclusions from that

[–]useless_aether[S] 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

visited north korea... XD and the prime minister of nz is a commie. i say these are all in kahoots, to ban guns.

[–]magnora7 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

she's a socialist, not a communist, I just looked it up

[–]useless_aether[S] 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

nz banning guns in 3, 2, 1, ...

[–]magnora7 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

If this was in the US it'd be tied for the 2nd most kills in a mass shooting.

But because it's in peaceful NZ, in the 3rd largest city, I imagine it'll seem like 9/11 to them. All sorts of legislation is probably about to get forced through. Some good, most bad, probably.

Plus their only neighbor Australia already bans guns, basically.

[–]Jesus 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

Where are the freaking cops though.

[–]magnora7 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

6 minutes in total before they arrived, it was a normal response time

[–]Jesus 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

Well they certainly didn't save anyone.

[–]magnora7 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

I wouldn't say that. Had they not arrived at the second mosque they could've likely killed another 50

[–]Jesus 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

I didn't even know that. SO, they were waiting for them.

[–]magnora7 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Someone was saying they still managed to kill 7 or so at the 2nd mosque, so it wasn't immediate capture, probably the police got there like 1-2 mins after the shooter arrived. The info about it is still coming out

[–]FormosaOolong 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I only got to about 10 minutes in the video before I felt too sick to continue for now.

The things that struck me so far the most blatantly are:

• the playlist is highly suspect, does not jibe at all

• the first-person shooter POV makes me utterly certain this piece of horror has many other motivations, many of which have already been discussed here.