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[–]ActuallyNot 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (14 children)

Remember when we were all gonna starve to death because acid rain was going to kill all the crops?

Humanity responded to the acid rain crisis with much better reasoning than the global warming catastrophe. I guess the industries behind acid-sulphate air pollution weren't as rich as those behind fossil fuels.

[–]ID10T 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (13 children)

Lol yeah I'm sure China has really helped solve the acid rain crisis. Amazing they can still grow crops in China.

The point is there is a huge industry of chicken littles proclaiming the sky is falling and other inconvenient truths.

You're easily influenced by these panic inducing proclamations, "WE MUST ACT NOW!!!" Meanwhile the solutions offered are often worse than the problem.

[–]ActuallyNot 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (12 children)

Lol yeah I'm sure China has really helped solve the acid rain crisis

The Helsinki Protocol on the Reduction of Sulfur Emissions was 1985. China wasn't doing a hell of a lot of air pollution back then.

The point is there is a huge industry of chicken littles proclaiming the sky is falling and other inconvenient truths.

Other way around. There's a huge industry of fossil fuel PR groups trying to stop people and countries from moving to other energy sources, trying to make the facts out to be unsure or wrong. The fossil fuel industry is revenue was $5.3 trillion in 2023. So they can spend a lot of money on science denial, as the tobacco industry did, and encourage people to put themselves at risk rather than have their profits interfered with.

There's no such money on the other side. No one owns the solar reserves nor the wind reserves. That alone should give you an hint about who's lying, even without noticing that a lot of the climate misinformation is coming from the same sources and the same scientists that did the tobacco-cancer denial earlier. Or that 99% of scholarly papers back up the scientific consensus.

You're easily influenced by these panic inducing proclamations, "WE MUST ACT NOW!!!" Meanwhile the solutions offered are often worse than the problem.

Are they though?

When you get an economist on to it, they seem to have findings like you got in the Stern Review which was included: "the costs of stabilising the climate are significant but manageable; delay would be dangerous and much more costly"

[–]ID10T 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (11 children)

Talk to me when you are freezing and starving because the power went out and your heater and stove is electric. You can't drive because you can't charge your car.

Yes if you want to talk about eliminating fossil fuel usage you aren't going to be taken seriously until you have a strategy on how we will increase our electricity output in time for those deadlines that right now are being arbitrarily and capriciously set.

[–]ActuallyNot 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (10 children)

Talk to me when you are freezing and starving because the power went out and your heater and stove is electric. You can't drive because you can't charge your car.

That should be some time. At the moment my solar panels are generating a lot more than I use.

Yes if you want to talk about eliminating fossil fuel usage you aren't going to be taken seriously until you have a strategy on how we will increase our electricity output in time for those deadlines that right now are being arbitrarily and capriciously set.

That's not an argument for climate science being wrong. But certainly changing the energy infrastructure takes some investment.

[–]ID10T 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (9 children)

Fuck the poor am I right? What kind of scumbag goes around telling people to adopt policies that will create huge amounts of suffering and death, while smugly assuming you will be fine. Most likely you won't though.

[–]ActuallyNot 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (8 children)

Fuck the poor am I right?

Indeed no. In fact the poor are suffering more from climate change than the rich. So rich countries have an obligation to reduce emissions from that perspective too.

[–]ID10T 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (7 children)

It should be blaringly obvious at this point that current strategies to reduce emissions will cause far greater harm than good. Especially to the poor. The only people who can be taken seriously are those who propose increasing grid output, adding nuclear power plants, before banning fossil fuel consumption.

[–]ActuallyNot 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

It should be blaringly obvious at this point that current strategies to reduce emissions will cause far greater harm than good. Especially to the poor.

You might think that if you didn't know anything about it.

https://www.oecd.org/env/cc/2502872.pdf

https://www.un.org/esa/desa/papers/2017/wp152_2017.pdf

https://www.mercycorps.org/blog/climate-change-poverty

The only people who can be taken seriously are those who propose increasing grid output, adding nuclear power plants, before banning fossil fuel consumption.

I would advocate putting the correct price on fossil fuel combustion, and then letting the market sort out how to transition, rather than banning them outright by regulation. Companies are smarter than governments, because they have the time to look in detail at their particular situation.

[–]Armedpleb 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

Don't waste your time arguing with him. He's a bot. He even gets offended and threatens to report you if you call him a bot, lol.

[–]ID10T 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Thanks, I've said as much to others. I write responses for others to read, as its stupid arguments are easily rebutted.

[–]ActuallyNot 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

You think bots get offended?