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[–]ID10T 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (11 children)

Talk to me when you are freezing and starving because the power went out and your heater and stove is electric. You can't drive because you can't charge your car.

Yes if you want to talk about eliminating fossil fuel usage you aren't going to be taken seriously until you have a strategy on how we will increase our electricity output in time for those deadlines that right now are being arbitrarily and capriciously set.

[–]ActuallyNot 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (10 children)

Talk to me when you are freezing and starving because the power went out and your heater and stove is electric. You can't drive because you can't charge your car.

That should be some time. At the moment my solar panels are generating a lot more than I use.

Yes if you want to talk about eliminating fossil fuel usage you aren't going to be taken seriously until you have a strategy on how we will increase our electricity output in time for those deadlines that right now are being arbitrarily and capriciously set.

That's not an argument for climate science being wrong. But certainly changing the energy infrastructure takes some investment.

[–]ID10T 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (9 children)

Fuck the poor am I right? What kind of scumbag goes around telling people to adopt policies that will create huge amounts of suffering and death, while smugly assuming you will be fine. Most likely you won't though.

[–]ActuallyNot 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (8 children)

Fuck the poor am I right?

Indeed no. In fact the poor are suffering more from climate change than the rich. So rich countries have an obligation to reduce emissions from that perspective too.

[–]ID10T 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (7 children)

It should be blaringly obvious at this point that current strategies to reduce emissions will cause far greater harm than good. Especially to the poor. The only people who can be taken seriously are those who propose increasing grid output, adding nuclear power plants, before banning fossil fuel consumption.

[–]ActuallyNot 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

It should be blaringly obvious at this point that current strategies to reduce emissions will cause far greater harm than good. Especially to the poor.

You might think that if you didn't know anything about it.

https://www.oecd.org/env/cc/2502872.pdf

https://www.un.org/esa/desa/papers/2017/wp152_2017.pdf

https://www.mercycorps.org/blog/climate-change-poverty

The only people who can be taken seriously are those who propose increasing grid output, adding nuclear power plants, before banning fossil fuel consumption.

I would advocate putting the correct price on fossil fuel combustion, and then letting the market sort out how to transition, rather than banning them outright by regulation. Companies are smarter than governments, because they have the time to look in detail at their particular situation.

[–]Armedpleb 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

Don't waste your time arguing with him. He's a bot. He even gets offended and threatens to report you if you call him a bot, lol.

[–]ID10T 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Thanks, I've said as much to others. I write responses for others to read, as its stupid arguments are easily rebutted.

[–]ActuallyNot 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

You think bots get offended?

[–]Armedpleb 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

ActuallyButt

[–]Armedpleb 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

You're ActuallyNothing

[–]ActuallyNot 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Do you think bots get offended?