Hamas surprise attack a ‘historic failure’ for Israeli intelligence services

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[–]rubberbiscuit 7 insightful - 3 fun7 insightful - 2 fun8 insightful - 3 fun -  (3 children)

99% chance Israel knew this was coming and let it happen if not assisted. Who benefits from this? There is your answer.

[–]EternalSunset 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

Yup. They are going to use this as an excuse to evict all of the arabs from Gaza and annex it into Israel and fill it with settlers.

[–]Airbus320 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

Yea, that bombing movie was too ridiculous

[–]jet199 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Yeah no, the army was moved away from the border to guard the settlements for political reasons. The army warned the government that attacks would be coming and they responded by saying the army had been taken over by left wingers so couldn't be trusted. The government was planning a peace deal with Saudi which would isolate the Palestinians so they thought they wouldn't have to be civil to them.

This is purely a problem of incompetence and ideology overriding reality.

[–]brimshae 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (5 children)

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2010/jun/30/hamas-israel-spy

Four months ago Yousef published his memoirs in which he claimed to be one of Shin Bet's best [spy] assets and was dubbed the Green Prince, a reference to his Hamas pedigree and the Islamists' signature green colour.

What are the odds we see a "justified" genocide incoming?

[–]binaryblob 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

The US would cut support to Israel if they did this, which in turn would mean the end of Israel, from what I understand.

If Israel had the ability to meaningfully defend itself from all its enemies without the US, I think Gaza would have been burned to the ground already. (I am not advocating for either side.)

[–]brimshae 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (3 children)

The US would cut support to Israel if [anything]

You funny.

[–]binaryblob 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Well, then what is stopping Israel from genocide? It would be a trivial solution to the conflict, because if everyone is dead, there is nobody to have a conflict with. Someone must be protecting the people in Gaza and it's not Hamas, because if Israel were to just drop napalm over the entire area in one night the world would likely just shrug and Hamas would be dead too. Israel could also starve the population to death.

I don't think Israeli leaders are opposed to genocide. So, who, if not the US, is stopping Israel from doing that? How hard is it to learn to answer the fucking implied question?

[–]musky-the-nigger 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

I think it's all about US jew public sentiment. They are largely progressive and Democrats. If these US voting jews get pissed enough at their Democratic party zionist leaders, then US support of Israel is actually in danger. Aka the kike zionist Democrats are not aligned with their anti-Zionist kike constituents. In the last 20 years this has become a partisan issue.

[–]binaryblob 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

What's the problem with just recognizing the 1967 borders to end the Palestinian-Israeli conflict?

[–]jet199 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

Because the Palestinians want to genocide the Israelis. They don't want any border

[–]binaryblob 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

If that's really the case (this would be a good time to show that it's the Palestinians that are the problem), then genocide would be the only solution, because Israel can't be expected to wait until their enemy finds a way to wipe out all the Israeli with one attack (which is going to be technologically possible within some large time frame).

From what I understand it's the Israeli that built settlements on land within those 1967 borders.

[–]jet199 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

No settlements have been built in Gaza, which is where the attack came from.

No one wants to live in Gaza, which is the problem there.

The main political change people in Gaza were pushing for before this attack was more/easier visas to enter Israel (which might be why Hamas wanted to find a way to shut that idea down).

It's a bit of an East Germany/Berlin Wall situation. Most people would leave if given the option but their government wants to keep them in that situation for political purposes. Gaza gets called an the biggest open-air prison by anti-Zionists but they ignore that means people don't want to be there, unlike the land the settlers are fighting over.

[–]binaryblob 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Where do you get the energy to post so consistently and so much? Your account would only make sense if it's a shared account or if you are a both or both.

Can you say anything to convince me that you are a real user?

[–]MagicMike 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

Trump cut off funds to the Palestinians, unleashed unprecedented peace initiatives in the Abraham Accords, killed the Iran deal, was starving the Iranian regime of resources with crushing sanctions, and Biden reversed it all, including funding the Palestinians.

[–]jet199 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

There's also the factor that Biden appears so weak.

In cultures where strength is worshipped (rather than hated as in the West) this is like a red flag to a bull.

[–]SoCo 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

I get the feeling that the Ukrainian facade drying up and Biden on the way out, meant Israel's timing window to cultivate public support, with Western media's help, for a larger offensive against Gaza, was running out.

[–]jet199 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Israel don't want this. They wanted the peace deal with Saudi which would mean they could do what they wanted to Palestine. They can't have that and bomb Gaza to the ground. If they were to plan this they would have waited until Saudi signed not before.

More likely this was plotted by Iran to try to bring about some internal unity after all the protests which lead to the government arresting and killing young women. That would also explain why the music festival was targeted and the women purposely abused on camera.

[–]SoCo 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I'm not sure that is Israel's desires. The targeting seemed like the kind, which would allow Israel to finally push Gazans into the sea, which has been a long and open desire, as well as one that would beg for war industry funding, which seems to be the main desires behind most of the last few years' skirmishes. The pandemic hurt everyone's economy and authoritarian war-mode government is the easiest way to economic recovery. So economic downturn always leads to war.

[–]MagicMike 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

In 1933, Head of the War Dept George C. Marshall told FDR to not cut the military budget by 51%, that this would show weakness to the Japanese. FDR laughed in his face and said the huge Pacific Ocean would protect us.

[–]neolib[S] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Israel-Gaza conflict: Unthinkable security lapse on Netanyahu’s watch

It’s the biggest military setback and intelligence failure in 50 years — and when it’s over, there is likely to be ‘the mother of all blame-fests’

“Once this over, there will be the mother of all blame-fests,” predicted one former Israeli general. “Netanyahu will obviously pin this on the army because he knows how it will taint his legacy, but history remembers whoever was leader and this is ultimately his responsibility.”

https://archive.ph/XCMgs (The Sunday Times)

[–]MagicMike 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

“ The Express reports that the Taliban has asked other Muslim countries to grant their forces free passage to Israel.

The report claims that an appeal was sent to Iran, Iraq, and Jordan, saying that "If other countries give us passage, we will conquer Jerusalem."

[–]jet199 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

To be fair a lot of the Hamas raiders look a fair bit darker than the average Arab. I wonder how many are actually from Afghanistan or Pakistan.

[–]UncleWillard56 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Looks like it's a bigger failure for Hamas overall.