New survey shows 71% of Americans support sending weapons for the liberation of Ukraine - Happy Birthday 🇺🇦 !

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[–]Site_rly_sux[S] 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (14 children)

Except the supposed intentions of easterners just happened to line up with an FSB invasion of the region, the so-called "russian spring" and the era in which Ukraine decided to move away from the russia....almost like the whole thing is bullshit

Now the east are among the hardest fighters against the invasion

https://nitter.net/kamilkazani/status/1504103672019513345#m

Russians are shocked by resistance they are now facing in the Russophone East Ukraine. Russians believed it would just switch to them immediately. After all, it voted for pro-Russian candidates on every election till 2014

What happened? How Kharkiv which used to be culturally and politically pro-Russian so quickly turned super anti-Russian? It's a huge cultural change and a very recent one. And the answer would be: Putin's conflict manufacturing strategy killed pro-Russian sentiments in Ukraine

When Putin manufactured the Donbass War he presented it as an Ukrainian inner conflict. Many in Russia bought it. Many in the West bought it.

[–]Gaslov 5 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 2 fun -  (13 children)

Dude, I've been following this since 2008. Your revisionism isn't going to work. Maybe you'll be able to lie to someone else. Even Biden suggested Ukraine give up the east to avoid this whole disaster.

[–]Site_rly_sux[S] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (12 children)

Prove he said that? And what if he did, how does that even support your narrative?

[–]NuclearBadger 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (11 children)

We don't have a narrative you tit. We just say what's going on, that's why we shit all over your conspiracy theories, and quickly, because we don't need time to make anything up.

[–]Site_rly_sux[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (10 children)

Are you ok? Hit a nerve? The question to gaslov is, how does Biden allegedly saying Ukraine should abandon the east (X to doubt) support the phoney pro-Z narrative of gaslov's earlier posts, or have any relevance to the comment thread he's replying to?

[–]NuclearBadger 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (9 children)

Biden is a janky old retard reading off a script his handlers give him, so if he said something about it, someone above him wants to float that idea about.

I'm not hunting about defending other people on here, but "and what if he did" is potato brain reply.

[–]Site_rly_sux[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (8 children)

I like hot dogs. (So what if you do?)

It rained last week. (So what if it did?)

Biden said X. (And what if he did?)

It's fine and correct to respond with "so what?" What does hotdogs have to do with anything?

Ok let's work through this. It's important that Biden allegedly said Ukraine should give up the east (again, doubtful) because in your view, it means someone told him to say that.

Ok, so what? How does that prove the Z narrative? So someone in the American admin once thought the president should say a thing...and that means Putin is right? Do you see how retarded all this is? And you criticise me for asking what the fuck gaslov is talking about!

[–]Gaslov 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

The associated press reported that his administration suggested Ukraine formally cede its eastern territory on Thursday, 12/09/21. I don't care if you deny it, I've given you enough to Google it. That said, Psaki did deny this happened, so whatever. Guess the AP just makes crap up.

[–]Site_rly_sux[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

The way which trustworthy good faith debaters share information, is not by finding a story then refusing to share a link to it.

Anyway here are all the ap stories with the word Ukraine on that date

https://www.google.com/search?q=ukraine+site%3Aapnews.com+date%3A2021-09-12

You can see none match your description.

And if you meant 9th Dec - there's nothing there either.

And you still can't deal with the question: what the fuck would that prove, even if you found it? So what?

And, no, it's you making things up, don't try and shift the blame

[–]NuclearBadger 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

It's strange that you think biden saying split ukraine, the potus, has as much weight as you liking hot dogs.

The political elite used and abused ukraine like a ten penny whore.

It's highly likely they don't want dirty secrets to float into the public sphere. Well, more than has already been going on.

[–]Site_rly_sux[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

It's not "weight" - it's that both "Biden said" and "hotdogs" are both apropos of nothing and have no bearing on the points he was trying to make.

It's not true that Biden said that, he has since admitted, and even if Biden did say that it wouldn't prove the point he was trying to make.

Why are you having difficulty with this concept? After all, Tony Blair once said Ukraine has great tap water.

[–]NuclearBadger 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Tony Blair should be in prison for war crimes.