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[–]Site_rly_sux[S] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (12 children)

Prove he said that? And what if he did, how does that even support your narrative?

[–]NuclearBadger 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (11 children)

We don't have a narrative you tit. We just say what's going on, that's why we shit all over your conspiracy theories, and quickly, because we don't need time to make anything up.

[–]Site_rly_sux[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (10 children)

Are you ok? Hit a nerve? The question to gaslov is, how does Biden allegedly saying Ukraine should abandon the east (X to doubt) support the phoney pro-Z narrative of gaslov's earlier posts, or have any relevance to the comment thread he's replying to?

[–]NuclearBadger 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (9 children)

Biden is a janky old retard reading off a script his handlers give him, so if he said something about it, someone above him wants to float that idea about.

I'm not hunting about defending other people on here, but "and what if he did" is potato brain reply.

[–]Site_rly_sux[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (8 children)

I like hot dogs. (So what if you do?)

It rained last week. (So what if it did?)

Biden said X. (And what if he did?)

It's fine and correct to respond with "so what?" What does hotdogs have to do with anything?

Ok let's work through this. It's important that Biden allegedly said Ukraine should give up the east (again, doubtful) because in your view, it means someone told him to say that.

Ok, so what? How does that prove the Z narrative? So someone in the American admin once thought the president should say a thing...and that means Putin is right? Do you see how retarded all this is? And you criticise me for asking what the fuck gaslov is talking about!

[–]Gaslov 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

The associated press reported that his administration suggested Ukraine formally cede its eastern territory on Thursday, 12/09/21. I don't care if you deny it, I've given you enough to Google it. That said, Psaki did deny this happened, so whatever. Guess the AP just makes crap up.

[–]Site_rly_sux[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

The way which trustworthy good faith debaters share information, is not by finding a story then refusing to share a link to it.

Anyway here are all the ap stories with the word Ukraine on that date

https://www.google.com/search?q=ukraine+site%3Aapnews.com+date%3A2021-09-12

You can see none match your description.

And if you meant 9th Dec - there's nothing there either.

And you still can't deal with the question: what the fuck would that prove, even if you found it? So what?

And, no, it's you making things up, don't try and shift the blame

[–]Gaslov 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

[–]Site_rly_sux[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Makes you wonder what changed

I too am wondering what changed with you, gaslov. Because multiple times you've told me that Biden advised Ukraine to abandon the Donbass. Now that has changed and your story has pivoted.

Administration officials have suggested that the U.S. will press Ukraine to formally cede a measure of autonomy within its eastern Donbas region, which is now under de facto control by Russia-backed separatists who rose up against Kyiv in 2014.

Decentralization of Ukraine and a “special status” for Donbas were laid out in an ambiguous, European-brokered peace deal in 2015, but it has never taken hold.

More autonomy could formally give residents of that region more authority over some local issues. The administration officials made no mention of ceding any territory.

So I don't know what changed with you, gaslov. You seemed so sure. Now you've pivoted without even acknowledging it or explaining why. Why has your narrative changed gaslov? Now you're pointing me to articles where no territory is getting ceeded?

Dude, I've been following this since 2008

You wrote. Wow, that's 14 years, 14 years of a steady narrative then it all changes in just the last half hour or so.

I'm blessed really, gaslov, to be around to witness your decades -steady view change in one night. Thanks for sharing this with me buddy

[–]NuclearBadger 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

It's strange that you think biden saying split ukraine, the potus, has as much weight as you liking hot dogs.

The political elite used and abused ukraine like a ten penny whore.

It's highly likely they don't want dirty secrets to float into the public sphere. Well, more than has already been going on.

[–]Site_rly_sux[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

It's not "weight" - it's that both "Biden said" and "hotdogs" are both apropos of nothing and have no bearing on the points he was trying to make.

It's not true that Biden said that, he has since admitted, and even if Biden did say that it wouldn't prove the point he was trying to make.

Why are you having difficulty with this concept? After all, Tony Blair once said Ukraine has great tap water.

[–]NuclearBadger 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Tony Blair should be in prison for war crimes.

[–]Site_rly_sux[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Yeah but I already proved my point with the non-sequitor fake quote, and if you disagree then you're a potato brain