Deepstate mind control has convinced this entire country that they're the "good guys"

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[–]Site_rly_sux[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (6 children)

That doesn't even make sense...if I was a better bullshitter and liar than the ruzzians, wouldn't I successfully convince 140 million of them that they're not the good guys in this conflict? Why would I be complaining about them to you, if I was the better liar than their government?

[–]EternalSunset 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

As if convincing the billion people in Europe and America that Russia attacked for literally no reason and that the 2014 coup and the war on Donbass didn't happen isn't the real feat of brainwashing.

[–]Site_rly_sux[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

Pffhahahaha you believe the big lie! That's so funny and speaks to your tiny brain.

Let's go, then, I'm ready, whatever evidence or proof you think you have that 2014 was a coup, I'll debunk it.

I have asked hundreds of times. Show me one single piece of evidence that 2014 was a coup. Nothing and nobody has stood up to the barest scrutiny yet. Do you think you're smarter than all those flat brains? Bring it, moron.

  1. There's a hostile foreign power who hacked amb Victoria nuland's call. You can read the transcript here https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-26079957 It's not evidence of a coup, nowhere in that call is any such evidence, I invite you to try to point to it

  2. Another released phone call hacked by a foreign power between baroness Ashton and minister Urmas paet. You can listen [https://youtu.be/ZEgJ0oo3OA8](here). Paet tells how a woman he met, believed that maidan was fake. This is not evidence either.

  3. Another article people often link me to is the moderndiplomacy blog, which has no proof of its own and just talks about #1 and #2 here.

There is no proof, no evidence for the coup narrative.

Because it wasn't a coup.

It was a revolution of dignity and a return to elections, that had been cancelled by the ruzzian stooge president.

You're another victim of their empire of propaganda, just like the dumb fucks in the op article.

[–]EternalSunset 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (3 children)

Nuland and Pyatt were explicitly discussing who their pick for heading the country was going to be: https://youtu.be/WV9J6sxCs5k?t=72

But I think you already know that or don't care (or both).

It was a revolution of dignity and a return to elections

That's what they told you to call it in the it internal documents isn't it?
And the war crimes in Donbass a "fight against hostile Russian separatists"
And the reunification of Crimea a "temporary hostile occupation of Ukrainian territory"
And the nazi militias "voluntary regiments of the Armed Forces of Ukraine"

Is this really what you are going to do with your life? Take your government's money to lie to other people? What does this accomplish besides making the corrupt fucks in power more powerful and the common people more misinformed and distracted from the truth?

[–]Site_rly_sux[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Theyre not picking who will run the country. They're talking about who might be suitable. Your portrayal just doesn't make sense. Nuland there is talking about Arseniy Yatseniuk ("Yats") who briefly held power until (checks watch) six years ago now. Is this really the best evidence you have. You concluded it's a coup because they mention a dude who later worked with the chocolatier who lost the presidential race to a TV comedian. Some coup. Some evidence.

That's what they told you to call it in the it internal documents isn't it?

It's literally what happened dumbass. I will concede that I could have added "parliamentary" before the word elections.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Constitution_of_Ukraine#2004_and_2010_amendments_and_2014_return_to_2004_amendments

And the war crimes in Donbass a "fight against hostile Russian separatists"

Are they not hostile? Are they not separatists? So they want to peacefully remain part of Ukraine, in your mind. Huh.

And the reunification of Crimea a "temporary hostile occupation of Ukrainian territory"

In what fucking world is that not true? Your little brain has been poisoned by their lies. Crimea voted in 1994 after exiting the prison of nations to join Ukraine, which the ruzzia promised to respect in the Budapest memorandum.

It was an illegal annexation by Putin and it will be reversed shortly

And the nazi militias "voluntary regiments of the Armed Forces of Ukraine

Normally you moron fascists call national guard formation "azov" the "Nazi militia" but I don't know why you would think, that I thought they weren't volunteers. I will just assume this is some nonsense you saw on ruzzian news. We'll categorise this with 'bandermobiles" and the "black magic bases" that have popped up also in the ruski mir.

What does this accomplish

I'm just here to let everyone enjoy seeing that you're a smoothbrain Z fanboy who is completely and totally taken by Putin's propaganda.

[–]EternalSunset 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Theyre not picking who will run the country. They're talking about who might be suitable. Your portrayal just doesn't make sense. Nuland there is talking about Arseniy Yatseniuk ("Yats") who briefly held power until (checks watch)

"No no no you see. They didn't had any power whatsoever in the matter. They were just having an hypothetical discussion about who they would assign to rule the country in case they were the ones to pick just for the sake of imagination. The fact that the guy they picked in their totally hypothetical scenario would come to rule the country right after that is a pure coincidence."

Man, you propagandists are at least good at making me laugh. xD

[–]Site_rly_sux[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

The ultimate decision makers were the Ukrainian voting public...of course the names they were mentioning were connected to power. If Nuland had said the name of a small town shingle roofer and he turned out as prime minister in 2014 then I'd probably agree with you. Any sports team fan might talk about who they think will be in the starting lineup for the big game....doesn't make those fans party to a conspiracy if the big players end up on the field. It just speaks volumes about your smooth folds, that of all possible conclusions a person could have after hearing that phone call, you would so neatly align with the Kremlin's propaganda. Notice how I haven't accused you of being on their payroll - you're just too stupid, sorry. Yet you accuse me of it. I'll take that as a compliment on my intelligence compared to your own