WotB refugees are our natural allies. I would like to sue for peace.

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[–]Tom_BombadilNational status = freedom[S] 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (16 children)

While I appreciate your desire for peace with WOTB, is WOTB the best sub in which to post an OP seeking peace with WOTB? WOTB is not at war with WOTB.

It was before being removed from /all. More visibility on the front page.

The overall community regulars are free speech maximalists. To the extent allowed on the site.

More importantly, influential members on WotB and the WotB mods are here, so there's no better place.

I'm asking for peace from WotB. The proposed remedy is a thicker skin for vulgarity, or strong opposing views, or racism, or profanity, etc.

There are those within Saidit who work to divide and conquer us within. We have similar internal problems.
I don't think the individuals at hand are working against the site, but it's happened before.

Regardless,

The WotB can take a punch and not flinch.
You aren't blistered by moon beams.
You can handle yourselves likes adults.

You know how the divide and conquer game goes. You've watched it unfold, and it doesn't have to be that way here.

Isolation will not improve your situation.

Pick up the ball.
Stay in the game.

Engage in diplomacy.

[–]SudoBreakSandwich 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

You know how the divide and conquer game goes. You've watched it unfold, and it doesn't have to be that way here.

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Ten of us will strike like thunder

Hundreds of us will shatter your heart

Thousands of us will destroy and obliterate

Ten thousand of us will hand you the wrath of heaven

[–]bucetao6969Im a guest here. Do not take my opinion as of a community member 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

It was before being removed from /all. More visibility on the front page.

A lot of people on this community already had a problem with WOTB being in /s/all. Actually a lot of saidit has a problem with reddit users being in saidit in general.

Being in /s/all requires that /s/WayOfTheBern respect saidit's guidelines. But not being in /s/all allows you guys to do much pretty much whatever tf you want as long as it's not illegal. I think the mods prefered the ability to shadow ban rather than being on all.

If this was reddit your community would simply get banned. Here on Saidit you just stop getting free advertising.

[–]Tom_BombadilNational status = freedom[S] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

A lot of people on this community already had a problem with WOTB being in /s/all. Actually a lot of saidit has a problem with reddit users being in saidit in general.

The Reddit culture has affected everyone that's a regular.
Association influences people, and conservative views are brutalized there, and conservative people are associate with actual evil intent.

Going along to get along changes a person. What was unacceptable at Reddit years ago is now the norm. It will continue to degrade, and degrade the expectations of the community. This isn't a criticisms of you.

It's difficult to see the changes in ones self in this midst.

Things will never go back to the way it was before the strike. It was bad enough then.

You don't know what you don't know. There are very few remains places on the Internet where actual facts can be discussed openly, where new visitors can be exposed to them.

Cloistering away from s/all is a step away from learning about what really has us all enslaved. That truth simply cannot be discussed on Reddit.

Being in /s/all requires that /s/WayOfTheBern respect saidit's guidelines. But not being in /s/all allows you guys to do much pretty much whatever tf you want as long as it's not illegal.

I think the mods prefered the ability to shadow ban rather than being on all.

It is easier to ban someone, than to get 50,000 complaints from people who are blistered by moonbeans.

They are busy as it is, and they're used to this reaction being regarded as legitimate.
As long as the people regard it as legitimate.

Saidit certainly questions the legitimacy of censorship, etc. As you can see.

I strongly suspect the WotB mods each have it in them to be a benevolent leader. Although that takes way more effort, and time, etc. They're the mods of a culture of relative dissent. They are themselves victims of censorship, etc.

That's not the solution to the society they want to live in.

Suppression of other voices is part of Reddit culture. Let's call it neoReddit, because this Reddit isn't who you guys were. Hopefully, not are.

Censorships is something that people there became accustomed to. But there's a fundamental contradiction that eliminates the possibly of a solution.

It prevents the WotB from knowning the who/what/why of the system. Prevents the discussion of legitimate solutions that are powerful beyond comprehension for most.

Without accusation from me; censorship is a moral crime. I'm not pointing fingers.

Everyone deserves freedom of exchange of ideas, and freedom comes with reading what's regarded by some as bullshit.

That can only occur one way.

There's a philosophical reason for 1st amendment primacy among "classical liberal thought".

If this was reddit your community would simply get banned. Here on Saidit you just stop getting free advertising.

That's funny, and true.

But, we also have the freedom of thought, and debate, and the chance to learn information that the wealthy and powerful don't want us to know.

Censorship it's the tool of the powerful.

Information is the shield of the people.

Everyone deserves this fundamental right. Without it, we're doomed to slavery.

[–]captainramen🇺🇸🛠️ MAGA Communist 🛠️🇺🇸 7 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 0 fun8 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I was shadowbanned from r/Conservative when I requested my flair. Conservatives are only allowed there if they're the liberal kind. It's just another shitlib sub now

[–]InumaGaming Socialist 5 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

We never gave two caps about the community outside this one.

Ya'll put that in there to gatekeep.

When we were small, no one cared about that rule.

The minute this place starts growing or regulating?

OMG! END OF DA WUUUURRRRLLLD!

We got crybullies in the chat, people yelling at us regulars, calls that our mods need to go (when they've been here and putting in work to enrich THIS sub), yells that we should go back to Reddit, called all sorts of names including kikes and where do you stand?

Right there with the a-holes coming in here to piss on the carpet.

I swear, if the edgelord brain gets any more immature, I'll just believe Boss Baby is in control of those accounts and pray more old timers in this community can act with some common sense.

[–]NetweaselContinuing the struggle 6 insightful - 2 fun6 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

I think the mods prefered the ability to shadow ban rather than being on all.

That's not shadow banning.
How can it be a "shadowban" if their words can be seen by all, and they know how to make their words be seen by all?

If this was reddit your community would simply get banned.

That's actually one of the funny parts of this. Over and over, we have been told "this is not reddit. we don't do that here."
At Reddit, for years we have been told "this is reddit. we don't do that here."

What we do here, and there, is as much Reddit as it is Saidit, and is as much not Reddit as it is not Saidit.

The ability to do what we do is in the base code of both. And what can be done... can be done.

And has rarely been done anywhere else. It is not a Reddit Thing; it is not a Saidit thing; it is a WayoftheBern thing.

When we started doing What We Do almost seven years ago, certain people in Reddit started freaking out about it, just like certain people in Saidit are freaking out now. To us, this is nothing new. But to you, it is.

And that's a rare thing. Something New. A lot of people do not know how to deal with Something New.

In all the years in which we have done this only one other sub has come to us to learn this -- a group of ex-Mormons trying to deal with non-ex-Mormons invading their sub. We willingly gave them what we knew, in hopes it would help.

But other than that, just us.

[–]risistill me 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Did you deliberately ignore my point?

As far as diplomacy, funny you should say that. I recently finished telling the maligned u/penelopepnortney that I could use more of it. https://saidit.net/s/WayOfTheBern/comments/b03y/hunter_bidens_charges_are_nothing_but_a_diversion/12qly

Unlike snowflakes, however, I'm willing to accept consequences of my posts.

I have zero tolerance for bigotry, and even less for pretending it's only another kind of "opinion."

[–]penelopepnortneyBecome ungovernable 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

I have zero tolerance for bigotry, and even less for pretending it's only another kind of "opinion."

Great point.

[–]risistill me 6 insightful - 2 fun6 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

Thank you.

Personally, I liked

Unlike snowflakes, however, I'm willing to accept consequences of my posts.

[–]NetweaselContinuing the struggle 8 insightful - 2 fun8 insightful - 1 fun9 insightful - 2 fun -  (5 children)

The proposed remedy is a thicker skin for vulgarity, or strong opposing views, or racism, or profanity, etc.

The other proposed remedy would be a thicker skin for saying "I like turtles" when that requirement is set. Or not saying it, but not saying it somewhere else.

[–]3andfro 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Indeed. Why should remedies be one-sided? When a line is crossed, the penalty should be on the one who crossed it, not (exclusively) on those who have the right to state where the line is and have no problem staying on the other side of it.

It's an axiom of the traveler that one obeys local rules or disregards them at one's peril. When in Rome, etc. Don't like it? Stick to more compatible lands.

[–]NetweaselContinuing the struggle 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

For years we have been told that it is always WE who must move so that we can all "stand together," and that THEY never have to budge.

Now it is being said that WE must grow a "thicker skin" because of the sensitivities of others with (apparently) much thinner skin.
Who apparently have no reason, no desire, no intention of ever growing any "thicker skin" of their own.

It sounds like yet another iteration of "we must compromise by us all doing what it is *I* want."
"It doesn't matter, so do it MY way" is a similar sentiment.

We've been dealing with that sort of thing longer than there has been a Saidit.

[–]3andfro 4 insightful - 3 fun4 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

I see a lot of spoiled children who never won anything on merit but took their participation ribbons as a sign that they're special.

[–]risistill me 7 insightful - 2 fun7 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

A better remedy: Stop posting bigotry to test the boundaries of a sub. Even better: Stop being a bigot.

[–]NetweaselContinuing the struggle 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

to test the boundaries of a sub.

You may have hit upon the the actual main kernel of the problem right there.

And their "testing of the boundaries" of this sub seems to have "tested the boundaries" of Saidit.

When one first discovers Saidit, one will see a watered down Reddit, with posts coming from standard, well-curated subs.

Only later will they find out that what they are seeing is not all of Saidit -- there's the rest of Saidit over at s/all.

And then later, some of those people will discover that s/all is a lie --- s/all is not ALL of Saidit. There is yet more.

An unknown-sized sweeping vista of subs that have been cast out of the peer-reviewed, peer-pressured conformity of s/all.

So my question is (not to you specifically, I still have to find where it goes): Is there a way to see the actual all of Saidit? Like Simba, I am curious about the shadow area that Mufasa said not to go to.

Another way to ask the question: How do I see a list of all the posts made in actual all of Saidit that have been made in the past half hour?
For all I know there could be a few subs out there with tens of thousands of subscribers, that have posts with absolute gobs of discussion hidden behind the curtain of s/(not-really)all.

Is there a way to see the actual all of Saidit? Or has a large chunk of Saidit been tucked away like a cousin no one speaks of in the name of alleged "free speech"?