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[–]Markimus 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (4 children)

Why isn't this compared to other years to prove it's an outlier? All this graph shows is the beginning of sports season, IE the time where athletes are pushing themselves the most after the off season where they potentially got somewhat out of shape.

[–]StillLessons 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

While I appreciate the detail-oriented nature of your comment, as someone who has been an adult a few decades, I have developed an instinctive baseline for unusual athlete illnesses. In my experience, there are maybe one or two a year that pop up on the news, and they are unusual enough that each one is talked about for a while. Suddenly this year, we have a dozen or more. That's a hell of a jump from my personal baseline.

Also, note the sudden interest by the media in "PPSD" and other similar threads. The never-before-heard explanations of sudden cardiac arrest tell you this problem is recognized by the power masters, and they seek to explain it away. Finally, this form of injury is a result particularly predicted by dissenting analysts of the shots (vaccine researchers) months ago. That it is happening is confirmation of a scientific prediction. The critics' story is correctly predicting future trends. The official story is not.

[–]Markimus 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Any stats to confirm?

[–]StillLessons 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

No. I concede your point. Given that Kirsch is using a statistical tool (numerical analysis in graph form) to make his argument, it is only fair that those numbers have a statistical comparison from earlier times, which I cannot provide. You are right.

My personal experience tells me he is absolutely right, but to state so in a statistical way, as done in his post, I cannot defend.

Statistics regarding vaccine injury/death for the broader society, however, do exist in the VAERS database, which is monthly, going back to 1991. Those statistics tell exactly the same story being told here on a much broader scale.

[–]Markimus 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

If you look at these stats for example you see this year is the highest, but there's plenty that are within a few.

I think it's possible that the covid jab exacerbates heart issues in athletes because we've seen the stats on the increasing prevalence of myocarditis; specifically in young men who make up 100% of these athletes. When you factor in that all of them are on PEDs which also cause heart issues (look how many bodybuilders and shit die of heart attacks young) there's probably some effect but the difference isn't massive really. Also to note from this we can't really conclude that the vaccine has the same effect in the general population who aren't on various steroids and other performance enhancing drugs. We'd need other data, a sample of elite athletes who are doing many multiple times the amount of aerobic and anaerobic activity compared to the average person, at a higher intensity as well as being on a bunch of drugs doesn't really say much about the average person. It's similar to how studies that take a sample of beginner trainees in the gym doesn't really say anything about advanced and elite level athletes' training needs.

[–]infocom6502 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Here for example is a referee collapsing during the Germany vs Serbia women's match (9/21/2021). While they are not pro athletes, soccer refs have to essentially be top fit and very athletic to keep up; I would consider them athletes.

This isn't normal.