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[–]LtGreenCo 12 insightful - 4 fun12 insightful - 3 fun13 insightful - 4 fun -  (11 children)

I want them to test the parents.

"To our surprise we also tested the IQs of the parents and found a similar correlation to low IQ despite the parents never having taken puberty blockers. Very strange indeed."

[–]ClassroomPast6178 9 insightful - 1 fun9 insightful - 0 fun10 insightful - 1 fun -  (10 children)

I think you’d probably find high-IQ parents with a submissive father and dominant, cluster-B, Munchausen’s Syndrome by Proxy mother.

I say High IQ because this does seem to be most prevalent amongst the upper middle classes and I suspect high IQ people are more often more likely to be susceptible to the Dunning-Kruger effect, members of Facebook groups, be more “progressive” and want to show off their LGBTQ child.

[–]LyingSpirit472 4 insightful - 3 fun4 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

Completely unfair.

The mother absolutely is dominant, cluster-B, Munchausen's Syndrome-by-Proxy, but the father can just as easily be a deeply closeted bisexual pedophile who thinks it's wrong to molest his son, but molesting his daughter is A-OK!

[–]Haylstorm 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Bold of you to think that the dad stuck around.

I mean I'm def judging slightly but I've def seen more than one case where there's a single mother who seems to hate men including her son to the point that you can absolutely see her convincing the son that he's actually her daughter. Especially seems to be the case when they're really wrapped up in their kids life being a 'friend' rather than a parent.

[–]Alienhunter糞大名 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Seen a few cases where the kid is just being used as a pawn in divorce proceedings and the mother has the child thinking their trans as a way to spite the father.

[–]Wanderingthehalls 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (6 children)

How are you defining high IQ? As in firmly above average or actually high IQ as in 155+, ie the top centile? Because I'm in a couple of those facebooks and yes, most of the women there are well educated with professional careers or who could have had professional careers if they hadn't prioritised fulltime motherhood. But, realistically, it would be unlikely that much more than two in a hundred would actually have a high IQ (higher odds than 1% due to the fact that few, if any, members would have a below average IQ). Yes, the Dunning-Kruger effect is very clearly on display with relatively intelligent people parroting the most stupid shit like, but Michael Phelps has big hands!!!!, immediately blaming JKR when news broke of B Ghey's murder and lots and lots of anti-science body positivity nonsense. Lots and lots of what Stella O'Malley calls toxic empathy. She describes it as a huge issue for teens but I see it as an incredibly huge problem for swathes of Millenial and even late-gen X mothers.

I don't see much evidence of critical thinking in these groups. Now a huge part of that, is because it's pretty obvious that if you question the group think, you get fucked out. So I suspect/hope that there are at least some other women in these groups who are still in them in order to observe.

[–]jet199 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Over 135 is top 1% IQ. The bell curve is taller than you think.

[–]Wanderingthehalls 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Jesus. I tested as having 155 when I was a teenager and was invited for more involved testing because 155 was the highest result possible on the test I did. But I couldn't travel to the city where the testing was. For some reason I had it in my head that 155 was the top cenitle.

I really feel massively fucking unaccomplished now.

[–]weavilsatemyface 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I really feel massively fucking unaccomplished now.

There is very little correlation between success (however you measure it, but especially financial success) and IQ scores.

What little correlation there is comes almost entirely from the low end of IQ. Sub 80 and especially sub 70 IQers are very, very unaccomplished underachievers. Everyone from 90 IQ on up is barely better than randomly correlated with success.

(By memory, it works out something like about 10% of employment/job "success" can be attributed to differences in IQ, and a bit less for income or wealth. A conscientious worker with IQ 90 will do a better job than a flakey IQ 150.)

[–]ClassroomPast6178 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Yeah, maybe I shouldn’t have said “high iq” and instead said “above average”, I was thinking in line with what’s required for mediocre professional careers, but not genius high-flyers. Smart enough to do damage.

[–]Alienhunter糞大名 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Basically the people involved aren't mentally retarded.

They are still retarded just metaphysically.

[–]weavilsatemyface 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

the Dunning-Kruger effect is very clearly on display with relatively intelligent people parroting the most stupid shit

Very relevant:

https://gurwinder.substack.com/p/why-smart-people-hold-stupid-beliefs

Trans bullshit is a clear example of “Fashionably Irrational Beliefs”, ideological thinking aimed at signalling membership in a tribe rather than truth.