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[–]ClassroomPast6178 12 insightful - 1 fun12 insightful - 0 fun13 insightful - 1 fun -  (6 children)

Interesting isn’t it. More and more organisations’ governing bodies are taking the hard “transwomen aren’t women” line these days, and all the screeching in the world doesn’t seem to be changing that. It’s a massive shift from where things were just a few years ago when every organisation seemed to be rushing to make room for troons amongst their women members.

[–]xoenix 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (5 children)

How is the UK doing these days? I heard Labour is going back on their promise to reverse/revise gender ID laws.

[–]ClassroomPast6178 9 insightful - 1 fun9 insightful - 0 fun10 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

Labour are fighting an internal battle.

AFAIK they never changed their party policy away from self-ID because they would have to vote on it at conference and I think the party conferences are coming soon, so it’ll be interesting to see what happens then.

I suspect the Starmer wing will win and Self-ID will be dropped as a massive vote loser. There will be lots of sulking and vociferous complaints from the usual suspects.

Good news though, I think the police have stopped caring about twitter arguments.

[–]xoenix 7 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 0 fun8 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

I can't find the link and I forget the name, but I heard some old, rich asshole pushing the trans agenda went to a meeting to give Starmer a stern talking-to. I was afraid his money/influence was ultimately going to decide things for the Labour party.

Here in Canada, we're still full-steam ahead on gender ID, years behind the UK. This stuff interests me because we'll likely see the same challenges here if the government ever comes to its senses and tries to put the brakes on.

[–]hfxB0oyADon't piss on my head & tell me it's raining.[S] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

I think we're going to need Pollievre in the drivers seat before that happens.

[–]xoenix 2 insightful - 3 fun2 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

I don't even have faith in him on that issue. Canada will do what it always does: wait to see what everyone else is doing, and then follow along. Even if/after the tide turns elsewhere, the communist Canadian media will have to be dragged along kicking and screaming.

Edit: That said, I think some provinces will start pushing back first (NB, Alberta, even Manitoba) but even that is just on the issue of informing parents that their kids have trooned out.

[–]Femaleisnthateful 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I don't think anyone to the left of Maxime Bernier is seriously willing to take a stand. Even in the Conservative Party there's a lot of support for gender ideology and child transing. The Cons are fighting their own internal battle to prove they're not Trump-lite.

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    [–]LtGreenCo 9 insightful - 1 fun9 insightful - 0 fun10 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

    Women can play against men in the open division if they choose. The women's division was made to encourage more women to play since many feel intimidated by the men. Hence why allowing trannies into that division is a bad idea.

    [–]hfxB0oyADon't piss on my head & tell me it's raining.[S] 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

    Plus, the trannies turn every one of their pieces on the board into a queen.

    [–]hfxB0oyADon't piss on my head & tell me it's raining.[S] 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

    I believe that is exactly what they're saying, without saying it.

    [–]bucetao6969Ace Spectrum 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

    I think it's like videogames. It was culturally a male thing so women have to build themselves to reach the top.

    [–]Alienhunter糞大名 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    It is kind of true in everything. Even hobbies that are typically dominated by women, like say cooking for example, think of the most famous chefs, and the best of the best are usually men.

    I think the reasoning for this, while you could take the misogynist take that women are worse than men, you could also take a misandrist take and say it is "because only men are stupid enough to devote their lives to being the best a pointless game"

    And there is probably some truth to that.

    I don't think you will find an inerrant advantage in men or women when it comes to chess ability, and certainly there is no physical safety argument to be made for not allowing them to compete together if they wish.

    I think just in general, across the entire population, you will find that men are more likely to dedicate inordinate amounts of time and energy towards doing one specific thing that they like in an attempt to be the best at it, doesn't really matter what it is. Women I think tend to be a bit more "sensible" and have more balanced interests and hobbies, but when you get to the extremes of the curve towards the best of the best, that does mean women are statistically at a disadvantage.

    Now of course most men are not going to want to put in the time and effort to become the worlds best chess player same as most women, but since more men than women are willing to do that, the gender gap at high levels of play if you will becomes much more apparent.

    I also think this is the same reason why you will see more male CEO than women even if you remove social and legal barriers towards women participating in society. All things being equal I think that you will see statistical differences in what women want to pursue if given the choice and while it sounds "bad" I think that women are typically less driven towards competition than men, which means in any sort of competitive environment they will see themselves at a statistical disadvantage.

    [–]clownworlddropout 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    It's ironic, because all the gender shenanigans we're suffering through today are starting to reveal just how different men and women really are. The top "woman" Jeopardy champion is a trans woman, and women preform worse against male opponents in chess—all the top chess players are men. And of course the STEM fields are massively disproportionately male. We're really profoundly different, not just physically but mentally too.

    [–]wylanderuk 1 insightful - 4 fun1 insightful - 3 fun2 insightful - 4 fun -  (7 children)

    Its fucking chess, it should not have gendered events...Unless you think women are inferior players that is...

    [–]xoenix 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

    I don't really care. We should stop making concessions to TRAs. They never make concessions.

    [–]Dontcaretoday 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    It's always nice to see someone who isn't afraid to tell them no, especially with something like this where there's no physical aspect of imbalance to lean on. Good for them.

    [–]wylanderuk 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

    And really don't care about trans being in this because I feel the exact same way about annoying "gibs me stuff cause I am a woman"...

    The only response to "ban transwomen form womens chess comps" is get rid of women only chess comps. Women have been talking the talk for fucking decades, yeah well time to walk the walk ladies.

    [–]ClassroomPast6178 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    It’s interesting, the top 3 women don’t crack the top 100 places in the Open rankings. So I suppose that, in order for there to be women with trophies, they had to have a segregated women’s category.

    Open.
    1. Carlsen, Magnus 2859 (M).
    100. Van Wely, Loek 2644 (M).
    122. Tari, Aryan 2629 (M).
    123. Hou, Yifan 2628 (F).
    303. Nesterov, Arsiniy 2569 (M).
    304. Wenjun, Ju 2568 (F).
    341. Ramirez, Neuris Delgado 2558 (M).
    342. Gorachkina, Aleksandra 2557 (F).

    Women’s.
    1. Hou, Yifan 2628 (F).
    2. Wenjun, Ju 2568 (F).
    3. Gorachkina, Aleksandra 2557 (F).

    [–]jet199 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

    Or maybe male hegemony is a thing

    [–]wylanderuk 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

    Or its yet again women's own ingroup preference combined with mens outgroup bias coledding to yet again give some annoying bunch of harpies special treatment...

    [–]Alienhunter糞大名 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    Statistically speaking they are.

    Thing is though something like 90% of chess players are men. So when it comes to comparing the top players you have to understand that even if we just went with a random distribution of players it is incredibly likely the top spots will be men just based on that 9 out of 10 chance.

    It is very hard to be the worlds best at anything. I doubt women have any innate disadvantage when it comes to chess at the individual level, (I think very broad evolutionary pressures on the sexes in terms of competitive behavior to lead themselves to reasons why these statistical gaps exist).

    [–]bucetao6969Ace Spectrum 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    Let's go!