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[–]IMissPorn 5 insightful - 6 fun5 insightful - 5 fun6 insightful - 6 fun -  (7 children)

No doubt they were part of the control group, which clearly proves gender af-- wait, what do you mean there was no control group? What do they think this is, a vaccine trial?

[–]Q-Continuum-kin 6 insightful - 2 fun6 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 2 fun -  (6 children)

The issue is that if you actually believe that transitioning cures suicide then doing a control group would be immoral. If you don't actually believe that and you do the control group then it invalidates the original premise so you wouldn't be able to do the study in the first place.

[–]IMissPorn 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

I get what you're saying on the first part, but you lost me on the second half. What do you mean there?

[–]LordoftheFliesAmeri-kin 2.0. Pronouns: MegaWhite/SuperStraight/UltraPatriarchy 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I think what he meant was that if you think that transing is bullshit, but you want it to through because of money and power, you absolutely can't have a control group that proves that transing is bullshit.

[–]Q-Continuum-kin 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

If you do not believe that transing cures suicide then the control group is moral. The original premise was that giving children and adults experimental drugs and procedures is justified because it saves their life so you can not do a control group. If you do the control group it means the original premise was bullshit.

[–]IMissPorn 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

??? That's not how science works, but OK.

[–]Q-Continuum-kin 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

It does work that way because you aren't supposed to do human experimentation...

What happens sometimes is you randomize the groups and give a placebo but if it's proving that the drug saves a the life of the patients then you swap all of them onto the drug. You also tell the people ahead of time that they would randomly be in group A or B but then they all get access to the drug at the end.

[–]IMissPorn 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Well obviously it's a bit hard to do placebo surgery or hormone treatment, but that's not the only kind of medical study. For instance you can do one where one group gets the traditional treatment (presumably talk therapy in this case) while the other gets the experimental treatment.