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[–]Haylstorm 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

It's just...off.

I'll be honest, the ones that I think are genuine? They dress their age. They have a normal 'age appropriate' name. They're fairly quiet and don't tend to want anything to do with the nutters.

As an example the post from the other day with the interview with two trans women? The one dressed like a middle aged women and speaking respectfully I can believe just wants to live as a woman and has accepted that some things aren't going to happen. Ironically I'd prefer her in my space as she respects it and understands she's not meant to be there. I think the name thing matters too, a lot seem to go for things like Elsa or other names that...idk feel like they're targeting an audience.

Safeguarding is important. It should be banged on about. There's a reason those processes are established and people forgetting that is sad.

[–]ClassroomPast6178 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

Debbie Hayton is the name of the trans person you’re referring to. Debbie frequently writes for The Spectator and Unherd and is very much in the “I had crippling mental illness and this was the absolute last resort before I self-deleted”. Worth reading some of their stuff if you have time, there’s a reason the TRAs hate them.

[–]Haylstorm 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (3 children)

Debbie seemed hella reasonable tbh. Seems to own it at least. Also seems to be in the camp of quiet and just living my life but you know for real. Debbie also came out of that interview looking well imo. Reasonable take that womens spaces aren't somewhere you belong even if you 'feel' like you're a woman. Honestly the part that gets me? I think you'd have a lot less actual transphobes if there were more Debbies. Instead with have more of the absolute nutbucket that went straight for insults and misgendering.

Like if they were all Debbies? People would be willing to give reasonable accommodation for your mental illness. Because you're asking for reasonable accommodation and not anything crazy. Or at least it seemed to be from that a general "respect me or don't but I need to do this for myself, but those spaces aren't mine"

[–]ClassroomPast6178 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

I think you’re right, I knew someone who was transitioning MtF in 1994, at university. No one was bothered by them and no one bothered them. I’d see them around the campus and never crossed my mind that I should treat them any differently than I treated any one else, but mostly I just didn’t notice them.

I think the big difference between Debbie, the person I knew and the vocal, disgusting TRAs is that the TRAs want to be given special treatment. I think you see it whenever the identity stuff takes hold in a community, instead of just getting on and living their lives they demand special treatment and celebration and the TRAs need women to invite them into women’s spaces because it’s the final capitulation - it’s like the presentation of Vercingetorix at Caesar’s triumph, the ultimate show of fealty and surrender (he was ritually strangled for the baying mob).

[–]LyingSpirit472 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Exactly- and it ties into how quickly trans rights has been accepted. Like, just 20 years ago gender dysphoria was rare and unheard of, and most trans rights have happened in the last decade...but equality has come so quickly for trans people that now you have the ones who are demanding personal glory getting their voice heard and having the rights go to "yes, let's give this person their glory!"

[–]Femaleisnthateful 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Gender ideology and the current political climate has made a lot of them crazy. Like, why be reasonable like Debbie and respect women's spaces, when you can force everyone around you to do and say what you want, and take all the things reserved for women, access their private spaces, etc. I've noticed a lot of previously innocuous trans (Jessie Gender is always my go-to example) just go down the rabbit hole of increasingly incoherent persecution complexes, conspiracy theories and worsening mental health.

Plus a lot of people who are already psychologically unwell or maladjusted are getting sucked into trans now, and 'affirmative care' does nothing to improve them.