Former IT tech enrolled in Royal Academy of Dance vs a ballerina (both started in 2017)

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[–]Haylstorm 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (13 children)

lol he looks like me dancing.

Only I have no professional experience. Anyone can look like a frightened horse on a frozen lake.

[–]ClassroomPast6178 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (12 children)

He looks like one of those cringy Red Nose Day “comedy” skits that Johnny Vegas or James Corden do.

[–]Haylstorm 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (11 children)

Like if he's been seriously learning ballet for 6 years? Man needs to go back to IT or have it as a hobby.

I've seen more effort in some of those comedy ones tbh.

[–]ClassroomPast6178 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (10 children)

Like if he's been seriously learning ballet for 6 years? Man needs to go back to IT or have it as a hobby.

If it really were a case of “wrong body/gendered soul” then you’d expect that the individual would “act their age” and, as far as I (middle aged man) know, adult women don’t tend to go in for learning ballet, it tends to be something little girls do and the best ones keep going.

Now, if it was a mental illness or fetish, then you’d see this sort of thing (not to mention, Dylan Mulvaney) all day long as the individuals actually have no clue how women think or act (coz they’re men) and the same for transmen of course.

They keep revealing themselves and almost everyone just ignores the evidence in front of them.

[–]Haylstorm 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (7 children)

Depends, Have known people go into it late as a hobby and NOT expecting anything from it other than exercise and even then most stop fast because it's really rough on you according to them. Think they ended up switching to other dances that are more low impact on the body. If they are unless they've done it as a child and want to get back into it it does seem (in my limited experience) to be a session to give it a try just for the experience of something they wanted to do as a kid. Have seen it with horse-riding too when a place did adult classes and people were curious about that as well.

You're not wrong that a lot of them are childish though. Look at how they dress for another example there. Most of the time it's a lot younger than their age.

[–]ClassroomPast6178 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (6 children)

You're not wrong that a lot of them are childish though. Look at how they dress for another example there. Most of the time it's a lot younger than their age.

I know I bang on about personal safeguarding and child safeguarding, it’s probably boring to a lot of people, but so many of these men set alarm bells ringing in my brain in the same way that Bronies used to. There is something very, very sinister about men play acting as little girls, and the attempted normalisation of it, by the media and activists, is a dangerous road to go down imo.

[–]Haylstorm 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

It's just...off.

I'll be honest, the ones that I think are genuine? They dress their age. They have a normal 'age appropriate' name. They're fairly quiet and don't tend to want anything to do with the nutters.

As an example the post from the other day with the interview with two trans women? The one dressed like a middle aged women and speaking respectfully I can believe just wants to live as a woman and has accepted that some things aren't going to happen. Ironically I'd prefer her in my space as she respects it and understands she's not meant to be there. I think the name thing matters too, a lot seem to go for things like Elsa or other names that...idk feel like they're targeting an audience.

Safeguarding is important. It should be banged on about. There's a reason those processes are established and people forgetting that is sad.

[–]ClassroomPast6178 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

Debbie Hayton is the name of the trans person you’re referring to. Debbie frequently writes for The Spectator and Unherd and is very much in the “I had crippling mental illness and this was the absolute last resort before I self-deleted”. Worth reading some of their stuff if you have time, there’s a reason the TRAs hate them.

[–]Haylstorm 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (3 children)

Debbie seemed hella reasonable tbh. Seems to own it at least. Also seems to be in the camp of quiet and just living my life but you know for real. Debbie also came out of that interview looking well imo. Reasonable take that womens spaces aren't somewhere you belong even if you 'feel' like you're a woman. Honestly the part that gets me? I think you'd have a lot less actual transphobes if there were more Debbies. Instead with have more of the absolute nutbucket that went straight for insults and misgendering.

Like if they were all Debbies? People would be willing to give reasonable accommodation for your mental illness. Because you're asking for reasonable accommodation and not anything crazy. Or at least it seemed to be from that a general "respect me or don't but I need to do this for myself, but those spaces aren't mine"

[–]ClassroomPast6178 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

I think you’re right, I knew someone who was transitioning MtF in 1994, at university. No one was bothered by them and no one bothered them. I’d see them around the campus and never crossed my mind that I should treat them any differently than I treated any one else, but mostly I just didn’t notice them.

I think the big difference between Debbie, the person I knew and the vocal, disgusting TRAs is that the TRAs want to be given special treatment. I think you see it whenever the identity stuff takes hold in a community, instead of just getting on and living their lives they demand special treatment and celebration and the TRAs need women to invite them into women’s spaces because it’s the final capitulation - it’s like the presentation of Vercingetorix at Caesar’s triumph, the ultimate show of fealty and surrender (he was ritually strangled for the baying mob).

[–]Femaleisnthateful 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Gender ideology and the current political climate has made a lot of them crazy. Like, why be reasonable like Debbie and respect women's spaces, when you can force everyone around you to do and say what you want, and take all the things reserved for women, access their private spaces, etc. I've noticed a lot of previously innocuous trans (Jessie Gender is always my go-to example) just go down the rabbit hole of increasingly incoherent persecution complexes, conspiracy theories and worsening mental health.

Plus a lot of people who are already psychologically unwell or maladjusted are getting sucked into trans now, and 'affirmative care' does nothing to improve them.

[–]Wanderingthehalls 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Tbf, I know plenty of older women who take beginner dance classes, including ballet. (Me included.) It's often something they always loved the idea of but never got to do when they were kids. Then at some point once their own kids are older and they have free time, they decide to take a beginner class. I think it's even more common since lockdown as lots of people started dancing along with YouTube tutorials when stuck at home. Then booked a class once they came back.

[–]LyingSpirit472 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Heck, even beyong wrong body/gendered soul, it isn't even that uncommon for men; shit, many top athletes include ballet in their training regimen because of how hardcore ballet is as an exercise.

[–]LtGreenCo 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

They are both really passionate. The girl on the left is passionate about dancing, and the man on the right is passionate about being allowed in the girl's locker room.

[–]Femaleisnthateful 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

https://twitter.com/ChesterTweet/status/1645875362063056898

This just doesn't bottom out...

[–]ClassroomPast6178 1 insightful - 3 fun1 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

The Nuttucker.

[–]filbs111 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Back in my day we laughed at this: https://knowyourmeme.com/memes/star-wars-kid

[–]filbs111 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

This one is fun too: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=21w6J4UKLHE

[–]jet199 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

The fact his head is wobbling all over gets me.

He seems to be aping what he thinks he should do rather than using spotting to not get dizzy when spinning .

[–]AriShekelsteinDDS 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Looks like a lumbering oaf in tights.