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[–]Vulptexghost fox girl ^w^ 20 insightful - 9 fun20 insightful - 8 fun21 insightful - 9 fun -  (19 children)

As if trans women look like women

[–]LordoftheFliesAmeri-kin 2.0. Pronouns: MegaWhite/SuperStraight/UltraPatriarchy 19 insightful - 6 fun19 insightful - 5 fun20 insightful - 6 fun -  (18 children)

There are those who do, but it's almost always the result of a lot of time, effort, and money put into it. More than your average "spinny dress goes wee/HRT makes my dick fumes smell like pussy" troon can (or wants to) put in.

My personal opinion is that the really loud troons--the sort that used to feature prominently on TiA--actually don't want to put that level of work in, because part of their kick is getting people to acknowledge them as women when they so clearly don't pass.

[–]LyingSpirit472 11 insightful - 5 fun11 insightful - 4 fun12 insightful - 5 fun -  (0 children)

My personal opinion is that the really loud troons--the sort that used to feature prominently on TiA--actually don't want to put that level of work in, because part of their kick is getting people to acknowledge them as women when they so clearly don't pass.

Honestly, I just think the type of troons who were on TiA on the minor "would you fuck me? I'd fuck me. I'd fuck me hard"- type posts were like that.

The really loud ones seemed like the pissed-off incels who were openly using it as their cheat code for "ha, now I outrank you. You have to give me my way now or you're the villain and I can ruin your life like you did all of us! Stand in line to suck my girldick now..."

[–]Vulptexghost fox girl ^w^ 9 insightful - 4 fun9 insightful - 3 fun10 insightful - 4 fun -  (14 children)

That's more true for ftm. It's extremely rare for a mtf to pass, super lucky genetics are absolutely required, and unfortunately mtfs for some reason seem to end up with the most masculine bodies possible (excess prenatal testosterone converted to estrogen maybe?). While a ftm can actually become male with hormones, because testosterone changes everything while estrogen does very little in comparison. Yet 90% of them are 20+ year old "boys" on tumblr with no hrt or anything other than gender nonconfirmity, same with mtf (and you can still tell if they're not on hrt). And they brag about their supposed condition as if we should be celebrating a curse that drives at least 41% of its victims to suicide. And no I don't buy the "it's all because of transphobic conservative Christian bigots bullying them!" narrative. It's "natural selection selected them to be subjects of a cruel and unethical experiment and now they are dommed to misery with no hope". Some people are gifted with the ability to be happy regardless of how terrible their situation may be. But the rest are damned for life. And I rage every time the media says this is all "normal and healthy" as if there's nothing bad about something that makes people kill themselves that little can be done about. And then they make up all this gender identity theory and have people identify based on sexist stereotypes, and identify as cats and furries and cars, and refuse to call out obvious trenders and anime fetishists and abusers, and then wonder why everyone hates trans people. And I bet they're going to to try to ban hrt soon because it acknowledges biological sex and is therefore "transphobic". Even having gender dysphoria is going to get you called a bigot, because sex doesn't exist, everyone should just be happy in their bodies and identifying as what they want, because identifying as something else without actually becoming it fixes everything as long as you silence the dissent pointing out that your royal highness has no clothes!

[–]IMissPorn 5 insightful - 3 fun5 insightful - 2 fun6 insightful - 3 fun -  (3 children)

They do exist though, just search up "shemale" and you'd find a selection of MtFs who pass very well (until they get their dicks out).

[–]jet199 7 insightful - 4 fun7 insightful - 3 fun8 insightful - 4 fun -  (0 children)

We are talking about real life not on camera.

[–]Neo_Shadow_Lurker 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Only the ones from South Asia seem to have this privilege though, as males there are on average smaller than their Western counterparts.

The fact that most of them don't go for the pornfied look also helps quite a lot.

[–]Vulptexghost fox girl ^w^ 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

But that's rare.

[–]LordoftheFliesAmeri-kin 2.0. Pronouns: MegaWhite/SuperStraight/UltraPatriarchy 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

My friend, can I offer you a paragraph or two (or three, even) to help you out? I might not have any spare fucks to give in these trying times, but I can manage those at least.

[–]Vulptexghost fox girl ^w^ 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

If you want to

[–]LordoftheFliesAmeri-kin 2.0. Pronouns: MegaWhite/SuperStraight/UltraPatriarchy 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

That's more true for ftm. It's extremely rare for a mtf to pass, super lucky genetics are absolutely required, and unfortunately mtfs for some reason seem to end up with the most masculine bodies possible (excess prenatal testosterone converted to estrogen maybe?). While a ftm can actually become male with hormones, because testosterone changes everything while estrogen does very little in comparison. Yet 90% of them are 20+ year old "boys" on tumblr with no hrt or anything other than gender nonconfirmity, same with mtf (and you can still tell if they're not on hrt). And they brag about their supposed condition as if we should be celebrating a curse that drives at least 41% of its victims to suicide.

And no I don't buy the "it's all because of transphobic conservative Christian bigots bullying them!" narrative. It's "natural selection selected them to be subjects of a cruel and unethical experiment and now they are dommed to misery with no hope". Some people are gifted with the ability to be happy regardless of how terrible their situation may be. But the rest are damned for life. And I rage every time the media says this is all "normal and healthy" as if there's nothing bad about something that makes people kill themselves that little can be done about. And then they make up all this gender identity theory and have people identify based on sexist stereotypes, and identify as cats and furries and cars, and refuse to call out obvious trenders and anime fetishists and abusers, and then wonder why everyone hates trans people.

And I bet they're going to to try to ban hrt soon because it acknowledges biological sex and is therefore "transphobic". Even having gender dysphoria is going to get you called a bigot, because sex doesn't exist, everyone should just be happy in their bodies and identifying as what they want, because identifying as something else without actually becoming it fixes everything as long as you silence the dissent pointing out that your royal highness has no clothes!

Here you go, use them in good health!

[–][deleted] 3 insightful - 3 fun3 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

Excellent comment, Vulpie, well said. Gonna save that one.

[–]Neo_Shadow_Lurker 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

While a ftm can actually become male with hormone

Err.. no, they're still female.

The difference between FtMs and MtFs is that the former has an easier time passing than the latter, and even then, if you know how and where to look, you can still clock them.

Also, society in general tends to be more strict in regards to looks when the subject is women. A strange looking "man" will get way less weird looks than a strange looking "woman".

[–]Vulptexghost fox girl ^w^ 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

They're closer to male than female. The reason they pass so well is because they can actually become the opposite sex, and not merely dress up like it the way mtfs have to do. They even see the behavior changes.

If you're confused, it's because while puberty is irreversible, female puberty does little more than cause breast growth and ovary function, while male puberty completely revamps every aspect of the body and brain.

[–]Neo_Shadow_Lurker 6 insightful - 2 fun6 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

They're closer to male than female.

Wat

Based on what exacly? Appearance?!

So being passable alone now defines sex, not actual biological, reproductive functions?

The reason they pass so well is because they can actually become the opposite sex, and not merely dress up like it the way mtfs have to do.

WAT?

You're joking, right?

If you're confused, it's because while puberty is irreversible, female puberty does little more than cause breast growth and ovary function, while male puberty completely revamps every aspect of the body and brain.

OMG, you're serious!

You know, the female puberty just makes women able to get pregnant, one of the most complex and, even today, impossible to recreate process.

Yeah, they can just get fucking pregnant, a simple, uncomplicated thing!

Just to clarify: no, a female taking testosterone won't magically turn into a male, it doesn't work that way.

They're never going to become real men, they have no dick, they have no sperm, they have no testicles. No male reproductive role whatsoever.

They're all but hairy women, but now with cardio and bone problems!

The behavior changes are par for the course when the subject is testosterone, as the excess of said hormone will trigger behavior changes even in males, so no surprise here. No magic is happening.

Hell, some FtMs can even get pregnant while on T!

So male, imarite?

This is why if you're unlucky enough to be born mtf you might as well kill yourself before you get tied down to life by loved ones like I am.

That explains quite a lot.

Even though you got out of the cult, you still believe on their deity.

[–]Vulptexghost fox girl ^w^ 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

It isn't appearance. Their processes actually do change. Pretty much everything but genitals becomes male, which is why I said closer to male and not entirely male.

[–]Neo_Shadow_Lurker 6 insightful - 2 fun6 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

It isn't appearance.

Yes, it is.

You didn't even provide any evidence of your claims either.

Their processes actually do change.

Yes, they do... in the same way MtFs bodies change.

Still female though.

Pretty much everything but genitals becomes male, which is why I said closer to male and not entirely male.

It's just the genitals, you know, the organ responsible for sexual reproduction, natural hormone production and control and other key body functions. It's just that!

Again, you're employing the same rhetoric trick you did in your last reply: trying to minimize biology to hype up troon bullshit.

If FtMs have turned into males then why testosterone has damaging effects on their bodies in the long run? Why do they need to take artificial testosterone for life and not, you know, produce it naturally like actual males do?

Don't you remember Buck Angel and how HRT fucked her body so much to the point of near-death?

Also let's not minimize the effects of estrogen on MtFs bodies either, as HRT also fucks them up in the long run.

Again, getting out of the cult is cool and all, but if you still believe in their bullshit then what's the point?!

Humans can't change sex, period.

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Did you tranny surgeries subreddit that was featuring actual pictures of vaginas? That was a hoot.

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    [–]GrilledTofuIdentifying as a block of tofu 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    Thai trannies seriously can pass off as women, so much so that they became a sort of a tourist attraction.

    https://www.koreaboo.com/lists/top-10-beautiful-thai-transgender-persons-sexy/

    Check this out and you'll see.

    [–]hfxB0oyADon't piss on my head & tell me it's raining. 3 insightful - 8 fun3 insightful - 7 fun4 insightful - 8 fun -  (0 children)

    Just limp where it should be stiff.

    [–]Datachost 3 insightful - 4 fun3 insightful - 3 fun4 insightful - 4 fun -  (3 children)

    Excuse me, are you saying a fork with a slightly bent tine is no longer a fork? What if I use a chopstick to stab a steak? Give me a definition of a fork that encompasses all examples, the very essence of forks! /s

    Fuck me, do I hate sophistry. Also a great opportunity to say "Fuck Plato"

    [–]LordoftheFliesAmeri-kin 2.0. Pronouns: MegaWhite/SuperStraight/UltraPatriarchy 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

    are you saying a fork with a slightly bent tine is no longer a fork?

    No, it's still a fork, just not as good a fork as other forks. Now, if the fork twisted its tines together, beat the mass somewhat flat with a hammer, and declared itself a spoon, then it's still a fork as well but it's just gone full retard.

    What if I use a chopstick to stab a steak?

    Unless that steak was carved off of a vampire, and you're checking to make sure it's dead, then you're a dirty fucking pleb for bringing a chopstick near a steak to begin with.

    [–]soundsituation 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

    [–]Airbus320 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

    😮

    [–][deleted] 2 insightful - 4 fun2 insightful - 3 fun3 insightful - 4 fun -  (0 children)

    I feel like that can still be used Kung Fu weapon style to eat.

    [–]TotoroDeams 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    Eh this is a bad one, as it's still a fork. It has the fork prongs, it's just the handle was turned into a chain. This would be better for a cripple.