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[–]Neo_Shadow_Lurker 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

While a ftm can actually become male with hormone

Err.. no, they're still female.

The difference between FtMs and MtFs is that the former has an easier time passing than the latter, and even then, if you know how and where to look, you can still clock them.

Also, society in general tends to be more strict in regards to looks when the subject is women. A strange looking "man" will get way less weird looks than a strange looking "woman".

[–]Vulptexghost fox girl ^w^ 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

They're closer to male than female. The reason they pass so well is because they can actually become the opposite sex, and not merely dress up like it the way mtfs have to do. They even see the behavior changes.

If you're confused, it's because while puberty is irreversible, female puberty does little more than cause breast growth and ovary function, while male puberty completely revamps every aspect of the body and brain.

[–]Neo_Shadow_Lurker 6 insightful - 2 fun6 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

They're closer to male than female.

Wat

Based on what exacly? Appearance?!

So being passable alone now defines sex, not actual biological, reproductive functions?

The reason they pass so well is because they can actually become the opposite sex, and not merely dress up like it the way mtfs have to do.

WAT?

You're joking, right?

If you're confused, it's because while puberty is irreversible, female puberty does little more than cause breast growth and ovary function, while male puberty completely revamps every aspect of the body and brain.

OMG, you're serious!

You know, the female puberty just makes women able to get pregnant, one of the most complex and, even today, impossible to recreate process.

Yeah, they can just get fucking pregnant, a simple, uncomplicated thing!

Just to clarify: no, a female taking testosterone won't magically turn into a male, it doesn't work that way.

They're never going to become real men, they have no dick, they have no sperm, they have no testicles. No male reproductive role whatsoever.

They're all but hairy women, but now with cardio and bone problems!

The behavior changes are par for the course when the subject is testosterone, as the excess of said hormone will trigger behavior changes even in males, so no surprise here. No magic is happening.

Hell, some FtMs can even get pregnant while on T!

So male, imarite?

This is why if you're unlucky enough to be born mtf you might as well kill yourself before you get tied down to life by loved ones like I am.

That explains quite a lot.

Even though you got out of the cult, you still believe on their deity.

[–]Vulptexghost fox girl ^w^ 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

It isn't appearance. Their processes actually do change. Pretty much everything but genitals becomes male, which is why I said closer to male and not entirely male.

[–]Neo_Shadow_Lurker 6 insightful - 2 fun6 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

It isn't appearance.

Yes, it is.

You didn't even provide any evidence of your claims either.

Their processes actually do change.

Yes, they do... in the same way MtFs bodies change.

Still female though.

Pretty much everything but genitals becomes male, which is why I said closer to male and not entirely male.

It's just the genitals, you know, the organ responsible for sexual reproduction, natural hormone production and control and other key body functions. It's just that!

Again, you're employing the same rhetoric trick you did in your last reply: trying to minimize biology to hype up troon bullshit.

If FtMs have turned into males then why testosterone has damaging effects on their bodies in the long run? Why do they need to take artificial testosterone for life and not, you know, produce it naturally like actual males do?

Don't you remember Buck Angel and how HRT fucked her body so much to the point of near-death?

Also let's not minimize the effects of estrogen on MtFs bodies either, as HRT also fucks them up in the long run.

Again, getting out of the cult is cool and all, but if you still believe in their bullshit then what's the point?!

Humans can't change sex, period.