The Saidit.net Terms and Content Policy

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[–][deleted] 4 insightful - 4 fun4 insightful - 3 fun5 insightful - 4 fun -  (17 children)

Maybe we should just ban the sole post that was sexualizing minors and leave the sub open? Not that anyone wants to police the sub for the next post that comes from this user.

The sidebar content is another relevant concern tho.

[–]magnora7[S] 9 insightful - 4 fun9 insightful - 3 fun10 insightful - 4 fun -  (15 children)

No dude the guy who created it showed his intent. Unless you want to leave a space to let someone else come along and promote the sexualization of minors in a month... but what's the point in that? Makes more sense to nip it in the bud to me, rather than create all these possible points that we'll have to continually police when we know how they're going to go anyway because it's in the sub mission statement. That's how I see it. I see absolutely no benefit to leaving it open, and a whole bunch of huge pitfalls. So it just makes sense to close it. Nothing good can come of this place.

[–][deleted] 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (6 children)

Yeah that's totally fair. It just seems like maybe a future pattern to be aware of, where one toxic user can run a topic/sub name for everyone else for forever, since now the sub is banned. With this sub in particular, I can't think of a positive use for it (pedogate exists), but maybe we being weary of users sabotaging whole topics is good.

Maybe I'm full of it and it's a false dillema since someone with different intents can come make pedophilia2.

[–]magnora7[S] 11 insightful - 3 fun11 insightful - 2 fun12 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

where one toxic user can run a topic/sub name for everyone else for forever, since now the sub is banned.

That's a fair point. And were it a more established sub with a wider variety of users, like CringeAnarchy, then you're absolutely 100% right. But given this particular user, the fact he created the zoophile sub and posted about "loving horse cum" or some nasty shit today, and then immediately created this pedophile sub, with an openly pro-pedo first post in it... the guy is clearly trying to fuck with saidit, and this sub is an extension of that. That's how I see this situation.

[–][deleted] 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (4 children)

So you're only allowed to be anti-pedophilia when you make a sub about pedophilia? How is that respecting free speech?

[–][deleted] 6 insightful - 3 fun6 insightful - 2 fun7 insightful - 3 fun -  (3 children)

I think a neutral or anti-pedopholia sub would be fine here, but sexualizing minors is another story. This is not an absolute free speech site.

[–][deleted] 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

Clearly, because "sexualizing minors" is something you're accusing me of doing apparently which is funny since how is the topic of child sexuality not ever "sexualizing children"? How can someone have a discussion about whether or not children should be allowed to have sex (like many of them do in reality, like I did when I was a kid, but everyone hides it) when by the mere discussion of that topic, all those involved are "sexualizing minors" which apparently is something that is against SaidIt's rules somehow even though it's literally not one of the rules? This is the exact text of my sub:

Description:

For the discussion of topics related to pedophilia and child sexuality, not a place to discuss the ethics of pedophilia as a whole. Examples include discussing current laws and rights (or lack thereof) that children have to be sexual beings, issues that effect pedophiles, and issues that effect children who are or would be sexual if given the chance.

Rules:

  1. Don't dox yourself. Exercise caution with any information you post about yourself. The term "pedophile" is largely equated with "rapist" by many media outlets rather than the original meaning of the term, so put on some armor. This is the sad reality we face and changing public opinion about kids having sex is one of the main reasons this sub exists.

  2. Be very cautious when it comes to discussing or admitting any real events in your life which may be illegal in your country. If discussing any past events, keep in mind how the statute of limitations works if it exists in your country.

  3. No porn is allowed due to both SaidIt's rules as well as the laws in many countries.

  4. Play nice! Name-calling, mud-slinging, and other aggressive attacks accomplish nothing when trying to have a progressive discussion that should be helping yourself as well as other readers, so doing that is against the rules.

Okay, so what is it exactly in there that you object to? That the sub's rules is against allowing discussion of the ethics of pedophilia as a whole? Lots of subs on here have rules that tries to focus the sub onto specific rules. I can make a sub titled "Banana_Advocacy" where one of the rules is to not get into the discussion about whether or not bananas are good or bad, or if someone likes bananas or not, but instead keeping the topic about the enjoyment of bananas. So why would in the case of my sub focusing the topic be a no-no?

[–][deleted] 7 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 0 fun8 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

This is objectionable, along with parts of the post you made.

and issues that effect children who are or would be sexual if given the chance

This is sexualizing minors.

[–][deleted] 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (7 children)

So advocating for children having sex is against SaidIt's rules? Which rule # is that? Really curious to find out your answer. You do know that in many countries, children as young as 12/13/14 can have sex legally with adults, right? But all children who have sex with other children are by definition pedophiles, too.

What kind of website is this? I thought it was all about the freedom of speech, yet you're saying you're not even allowed to talk in favor of certain things? Which rule is that? How in the hell is someone supposed to make points about why there's nothing wrong with children having sex if you're not allowed to even talk about children having sex?

[–]magnora7[S] 9 insightful - 3 fun9 insightful - 2 fun10 insightful - 3 fun -  (6 children)

If you don't like the rules of saidit, you're free to leave.

[–]fucksaidit 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (5 children)

I signed up for your shitty site just now after reading this subthread just to say that your position on this subject is laughably retarded and pathetic. And no, for the record, I'm not a pedo.

But not allowing people to express mere viewpoints just because you don't approve of them makes you just as bad as reddit or any other conglomeration of SJWs. You should feel absolutely ashamed of yourself for trying to promote this site as a reddit alternative when you're pulling the exact same shit as them (if not worse shit, as you're allowed to express pro-pedo viewpoints on reddit as long as you don't say something like "This 8 year old is hot.").

I truly pity your lack of intelligence, circumspection, and philosophical depth. I genuinely believe that you probably want to create a better alternate to reddit, but you are clearly incapable of it. It's too bad you are too blinded by your emotional biases to follow through on any sort of principled behavior. Weak, unscrupulous men like you are the cancer that is destroying the West.

What a joke you and this site are. Do not promote this site ever again as a venue for free thought, expression, opinion, or speech unless you want to be guilty of false advertisement and earn the karma that liars have coming to them.

[–]magnora7[S] 7 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 0 fun8 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

If saidit makes you this angry, then why are you here writing paragraphs? Goodbye.

[–]boylover 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

I sent this to /u/magnora7 personally, but want to post this here for the record.

So I signed up today thinking I might test out the free speech waters at Saidit.net when I stumbled upon this post,

The thing that bothers me is the way you characterized the sub when the sidebar told a very different story. It seems that you are not really into freedom of speech.

The "sexualization of children" is a hugely ideological term. The "sexualization of minors" is even worse, since a 17.999 year old is technically a minor, but hardly asexual. We're not allowed to discuss these contradictions?

The reason I came to Saidit.net, after poking around Voat, then returning to Reddit for a while, is that I'm really sick of the censorship on centralized social media. The fact that you so quickly devolve in the exact same way tells me that your dream of a pyramid of debate will not last.

The real solution to the problem, one you yourself have diagnosed, is not to create yet another centralized system, this time with the all seeing, all knowing Magnora7 in charge of censorship. It is to push for radical decentralization + encryption, so that minority and excluded populations can have their conversations.

It's not surprising that you'd want to avoid dealing with BS on your site. But my opinion of you and this project has gone 180. I'm no longer bookmarking /s/worldnews to replace my /r/worldnews. I'm going to give up on the Reddit clones altogether and move on.

Good luck Magnora7.

P.S. The sub I wanted to make was going to be called /s/boys and would feature boys in the media and light topics of attraction, politics, and news. But now I'm not going to do that. I wouldn't want to take a risk of wasting my own time only to you have one day (maybe on day 1, maybe on day 1000) delete it just because. And I wouldn't want to help attract people to your site whom you have no respect for and would probably turn in for the least reason, using your powers as admin to leak info or whatever. You're untrustworthy now.

[–]magnora7[S] 7 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 0 fun8 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Good. We do not want you or your message here. There are a very limited number of things we limit, but sexualization of children is one of them. Saidit is not a free-for-all. We cannot have a site exposing pedo rings like Epstein, while housing very questionable content from people like yourself. It doesn't make sense. Goodbye.

[–]Node 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Whew, just running across this comment thread in March 2021. Thanks for not letting them wiggle in.

[–]fucksaidit 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I'm just putting the issue on record so I can be sure to point out your site's lack of freedom of speech and opinion for any who might consider using it in the future, so I can steer people away from it. Goodbye indeed and enjoy your dead circlejerk, faggot.

PS: All of your responses to the arguments in this subthread have been far lower on the pyramid of debate than the posts you're responding to, meaning that by your own logic you should be banned. But of course the rules don't apply to you, do they?

[–]bobbobbybob 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

or take over the sub and have it say "promoting pedophillia is an insta-ban on saidit, now fuck off ?