Saidit is currently undergoing the largest DDOS attack we've ever had

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[–][deleted] 72 insightful - 4 fun72 insightful - 3 fun73 insightful - 4 fun -  (26 children)

Very insightful. We need to be on our toes. So many posts making it to the front page advocating censorship.

[–]magnora7[S] 97 insightful - 7 fun97 insightful - 6 fun98 insightful - 7 fun -  (25 children)

It's a problem-reaction-solution situation. They're creating the problem by posting terrible things that technically don't break site rules, and then also posting soon after "How dare saidit allow all these terrible things?" And then whatever our response, saidit can be made to look bad.

If we remove the terrible things (that don't break site rules) then we get accused of censorship, but if we ignore the people concern-trolling about the terrible things then it looks like we're tacitly condoning it. It's a lose-lose position to be in, but that's the whole point of the attack, and why it works in the first place.

I'm starting to think the only real way to overcome this is for the users of the website to become wise to these tactics, so that's why I've decided to speak out about these tactics, because people need to know.

[–]FediNetizen 23 insightful - 2 fun23 insightful - 1 fun24 insightful - 2 fun -  (24 children)

I was one of the people in the comments of those threads and for the record my concerns are entirely genuine. It's just really tiring to interact with people that have obsessive racial worldviews (whether they're right-wing or left-wing). Their views usually come from a place of ignorance and it's just tedious because they often get hostile when you tell them they're wrong

Also, even though I've been on the internet a long time and have a tolerance for extremism personally, that stuff scares away the normies, which will make it harder for the site to grow. I'd really love to be a part of a site like the reddit I knew 10 years ago.

[–]magnora7[S] 66 insightful - 3 fun66 insightful - 2 fun67 insightful - 3 fun -  (23 children)

Their views usually come from a place of ignorance and it's just tedious because they often get hostile when you tell them they're wrong

You don't seem to understand what we're saying. These people don't actually hold these views. They're just saying this stuff, and getting in to fights, because it drives people away from the website.

They're intentionally starting fights and trolling people all while pretending to be "extremists". Their main goal is to drive normal people away, not to actually promote their ideology. The ideology is just a cover to cause chaos and damage the information quality of the forum

[–]Fitter_Happier 35 insightful - 2 fun35 insightful - 1 fun36 insightful - 2 fun -  (20 children)

trolling people all while pretending to be "extremists".

The term you're looking for is False Flag Attacks and is the oldest trick in the book militarily.

[–]magnora7[S] 25 insightful - 4 fun25 insightful - 3 fun26 insightful - 4 fun -  (19 children)

I guess it technically is a false flag attack because they're pretending to be another ideology they don't believe, I've never thought about it like that before. However instead of dropping bombs, they're just making a mess of a good forum

[–]Fitter_Happier 18 insightful - 2 fun18 insightful - 1 fun19 insightful - 2 fun -  (18 children)

And false flags are always used as a pretense to attack. It's ancient, but a more recent example; Hitler had German troops dress as Poles and attack and actually kill Germans hence riling up the Germans to attack Poland. Another example; a few years ago thousands of bomb threats were phoned in to synagogues, they all came from an Israeli teen presumably trying to get the US government to crack down on White Nationalists.

[–]magnora7[S] 13 insightful - 3 fun13 insightful - 2 fun14 insightful - 3 fun -  (13 children)

Hm yes true. What you say reminds me of this, where they were talking about planning to do the same thing to Iran: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qYnjBJZxpGY

[–]Fitter_Happier 16 insightful - 2 fun16 insightful - 1 fun17 insightful - 2 fun -  (12 children)

You know DDOS attacks are illegal don't you? i.e. you are a victim of criminal activity, this isn't just some "activists", these are criminals attacking you. You have every right to call the authorities.

[–]magnora7[S] 7 insightful - 2 fun7 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 2 fun -  (4 children)

I mean in theory, yes, but there's widespread DDOS attacks across the internet and they're not able to stop them so I doubt they'll care about us or be able to do anything if they did

[–][deleted] 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (5 children)

its illegal except when the state does it no another nation, say the U.S. attacks russia with a ddos, lul. its not illegal, the state is just a collection of hippiecrites

[–][deleted] 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

What to do when the criminals ARE the authorities though?

[–]StBlops2cel_is_Lord 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Ethnic Germans in Poland were being attacked by military and civilians for many months, Hitler finally went to help them. What you are citing is Russian propaganda.

[–]Fitter_Happier 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

What I am citing is David Irving's "Hitler's War". Obviously could be wrong but his whole schtick was to only use primary sources so I tend to believe him.

[–]Sage 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

"Hitler had German troops dress as Poles and attack and actually kill Germans hence riling up the Germans to attack Poland" Source?

[–]Fitter_Happier 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

"Hitler's War" by David Irving. If you bust my balls I may even find the page but until then you'll have to trust me, it's in there as I just read it.

[–]motionlessoracle 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Can you sticky a post or a message to the top of /s/all explaining this? Or some kind of message every user is guaranteed to see once?

[–]kokolokoNightcrawler 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

Nice 5D chess