Attention magnora7: My idea/solution.

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[–][deleted] 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (11 children)

The notabug code is open source, anyone can take it up. Lemmy is also federated on an existing protocol, I haven't looked into it much though. It's possible go1dfish thought that was a better alternative and that's why he hasn't been around.

[–]theoracle[S] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (10 children)

If I could code that would be good. I guess I can learn, but I am not sure I have the time. I gather I would also have to set up a new website? That is getting too much for me.

https://dev.lemmy.ml is not what I am thinking. The rules there are already too restrictive and there seems no option to turn them off.

I am envisaging a place where everyone can co exist. Moderators can only rule by acceptance, users choose who moderates for them.

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I haven't looked at lemmy much. Hmm. I wonder what happened to go1dfish.

I think the fediverse model has some potential too. You can moderate your own content pretty easily there by blocking or not blocking, I think.

Yeah, I guess it does take time to set stuff up if someone hasn't built it yet. I don't see any reason nab development can't continue, but someone has to actually do it. Maybe if we paid go1dfish, it would work, though I imagine he's got a job too that he's probably not eager to give up.

[–]theoracle[S] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (8 children)

Thanks for discussing this with me ccccccc. You have been very helpful!

I am not certain on the problems with running anon sites, but I would gather the deep/corpstate will come knocking making all sorts of requests at some point. Maybe just leaving it to the users at some point is the only easy way.

Federation covers my point on open sourcing the content, which is a must. It is not what I have in mind for the optional moderation part though. It makes it too complicated and wont stop moderators banning and deleting posts they shouldn't.

I am happy to put some money towards this. Go1dfish seems uncontactable though.

[–][deleted] 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (7 children)

Glad I can pass on a bit of knowledge!

I think nab doesn't store private data by design, to help deal with "coming knocking".

The thing about the federated twitter-like model that I like is that, idk. I like other people having sovereignty too. It's like, with a forum like this, you all share (and potentially fight over) a shared sub. With the federated model, it's like each person gets to visit another's house whenever they want. Everyone has complete control over who they visit, and complete control over their own space. I kindof like this model. It's kindof a different way of organizing than the sub-based model though, and I'm here, so idk maybe I do like something about it. But that's why I mentioned the fediverse stuff, I feel it solves the problem of each person having complete control over what content they see. freespeechextremist.com does not remove/ban people (afaik, unless it's for legally required reasons), but a lot of the other servers do afaik. Anyway it's a bit different from what you were saying, but that's why I mention it as a somewhat related possibility. It also allows optional "moderation" of a sort via re-tweeting (or whatever the platform calls it): each person kinda makes their own filter of the overall content feed.

Yeah I have know idea about go1dfish really. He has some accounts listed at nab if you didn't see those. But it does seem like he's busy with something and not really available right now. I hope he is ok.

[–]theoracle[S] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (6 children)

The problem I am trying to solve is the ahole mod. The one who doesn't want his users engaging is some form of speech. I have watched countless hot topics get deleted and edited because the mod is well in my mind nuts.

The problem that federation causes is users have to jump to a different section, and they probably won't. But if you give them a button to press to disable the stupid mod and they can see people commenting on something that is hidden, and the conversation is engaging and they are interested? Well they hit that button. They then maybe start a post asking why the mod is such a retard? he bans more and more people, eventually the sub is out of his control because he has to ban so many people they just all disable him.

I want to organically neuter the retard mod.

My full idea is to abandon the sub model and just tag posts. You have mods or filters that aggregate certain tags. Notabug has this all I know but it's just not refined enough.

Hopefully go1dfish didn't get caught in the riots as notabug seems like an anarchist's creation. Notabug does seem like something Eric Weinstein would be involved in... and he is hardly a rioter :-)

BTW do you listen to The Portal?

[–][deleted] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

Hm.

No I've never heard of The Portal, and probably not interested in picking up something new right now.

What do you feel isn't quite there right now with notabug?

[–]theoracle[S] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

I'll use it some more and get back to you but overall it's too hard to use, normies will never go for it like that. The collapsed posts can get so voluminous that they interfere with reading. Some basic spam moderation would be nice, guys are just going full copy pasta nuts. Spaces is confusing and seems to not work or have bugs, like in one instance I got a page full of errors and something about this looks like it is a bug or something. The vote system and collapsing I don't think are good. Half the time something is collapsed it could be worth reading but you have to spend time fishing.... it doesn't work. The Slashdot system is better, enough downvotes then collapse or hide. Notabug say you can do that with spaces but when I tried it didn't work. You have to make a space type the command in, no simple slider like slashdot. Normies will never adapt even if it did all work.

To me notabbbug comes off as a bit alpha not yet beta. I will play with it more though.

Oh and to add the majority of people who are posting are anon, so it makes it impossible to follow anyone, atleast on 4chan they have session ids. All the shitposters are anon too, so you can't turn off anon and be rid of them, and no one is doing any moderation at all it seems.

The Portal I find excellent.

[–][deleted] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

Interesting. I've used nab for a little while so it's interesting to hear what someone first using thinks of it. I think I'd agree with a lot of that. And I guess it is a bit rough for normies right now.

And it is in "alpha" not yet to 1.0 I think.

[–]theoracle[S] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

So I discovered on rereading the spaces guide that only a small part of it is actually working...so yes it is very alpha.

Someone could take up the mantle of using spaces to do some moderation, but again you need to type in every ban or deletion so it could be arduous.