Is reddit just filled with AI content at this point? Are there any actual humans left on it? Look at the comments on this post about trans women being banned from female wards in hospitals.

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[–]Hematomato 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (7 children)

Won't anyone think of the women who want to be men, though? (top 2 comment threads)

It's a funny little switch to me. It's clearly more propaganda and astroturfing. They are realizing they are losing the war with "trans women are women" and are beginning to try to rise up with "trans men are men" since they think actual women hold more power.

No, truth be told, they get it.

The average heterosexual man is kinda horrified by the idea that he might date a woman who wasn't really a woman.

That's probably just biological. It's not "the product of centuries of bigotry." Heterosexual men don't want to have sex with men. We have an innate aversion to it.

Women have a much less strong aversion to the idea of sex with women. And that's why people don't obsess over trans men, or even really think about trans men.

So, if you're a young heterosexual man and a girl turns herself into a man... who really gives a shit. It's just a short guy who doesn't present much competition to you. Pretty easy to ignore.

[–]bucetao6969[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (6 children)

The average heterosexual man is kinda horrified by the idea that he might date a woman who wasn't really a woman.

Not exactly. They're horrified by stumbling upon a trans woman that said they're woman. They obviously don't want to have sex with them... but what then? Can they punch them to get away from them safely? That's what scary.

It's a more scary thought marrying a woman you thought was decent and later learning that she was actually a pornstar.

That's probably just biological. It's not "the product of centuries of bigotry." Heterosexual men don't want to have sex with men. We have an innate aversion to it.

Queer people will never accept this and it will be their downfall. They can exist like they keep telling us but anything else is not going to happen and they have to accept it.

[–]Hematomato 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

Not exactly. They're horrified by stumbling upon a trans woman that said they're woman. They obviously don't want to have sex with them... but what then? Can they punch them to get away from them safely? That's what scary.

Um

If a trans woman comes up to me and says "I'm a woman," I just say "okie dokie" and go back to what I was doing. I truly have no reason to feel fear.

Queer people will never accept this and it will be their downfall. They can exist like they keep telling us but anything else is not going to happen and they have to accept it.

Personally I just feel like that's the best possible goal: everyone accepts everyone else's existence. No one challenges anyone else's right to exist.

Don't condemn, don't celebrate, just accept.

[–]bucetao6969[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

If a trans woman comes up to me and says "I'm a woman," I just say "okie dokie" and go back to what I was doing. I truly have no reason to feel fear.

That's not what I said. If you match with a profile that says woman on tinder and you find out they're a troon, if you want to get out of the situation they will attack you. Those people are crazy, vicious. And one of the biggest propagators of rape culture.

It would be great if queer people accepted I don't want to have sex with trans people. But they don't.

Personally I just feel like that's the best possible goal: everyone accepts everyone else's existence. No one challenges anyone else's right to exist.

No one's challenging the other's right to exist. People are trying to put in my head a trans woman into women is a lesbian so they can have sex with lesbians. Your argument is a strawman.

However "everyone accepting each other" is also impossible. It's fine some people stay away from others because fundamentally not everyone can get along.

[–]Hematomato 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

That's not what I said. If you match with a profile that says woman on tinder and you find out they're a troon, if you want to get out of the situation they will attack you. Those people are crazy, vicious. And one of the biggest propagators of rape culture.

It would be great if queer people accepted I don't want to have sex with trans people. But they don't.

I don't know, man. Hasn't been my experience. With trans women, I do the exact same thing as I do with ugly women: I wait a couple days and then say "Hey, I've enjoyed talking to you, but I'm getting back together with my ex." And then everything is chill.

No one's challenging the other's right to exist.

If only that were true. But, no. It's not "no one." And it's not a straw man, which is, of course, two words. Radicals exist, and their numbers have been increasing lately.

However "everyone accepting each other" is also impossible. It's fine some people stay away from others because fundamentally not everyone can get along.

I think it's possible to do both. "I accept you, I respect you, I'm gonna be over there and we're not gonna know each other." I have had to take that position many times in my life.

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

I think it's possible to do both. "I accept you, I respect you, I'm gonna be over there and we're not gonna know each other." I have had to take that position many times in my life.

I think I can do this, but the fact that I don't want to get to know them means I don't accept them (I think this is semantics then?).

I can 'accept' someone exists and they believe certain things and behave certain ways without accepting those beliefs and behaviors and who they are.

In this sense, I think it's impossible to live in a world where everyone is accepted.

[–]Hematomato 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

You're right, it's a semantic issue. The question is what the word "accept" means.

To me, "accept" just means "I'm not gonna fuck with it." Like if there's a spider web on my ceiling, I "accept" that if I don't knock the web down with a broom. I don't have to be friends with the spider, I don't have to say it's a good thing the web exists, I just have to not knock the web down.

And I think acceptance of LGBT people is the same thing. As long as you don't bully them, don't advocate for locking them up, don't do anything to harm them, just let them live their lives in peace... that's acceptance.

And I think acceptance is what we should all be trying to get to. Not condemnation, not celebration, just "Oh, you're trans? Well, okie dokie then. Best of luck to you in your travels."

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Oh yeah, I agree with all that.

The issue is that what LGBT people see as "harm" is not really a lot of other people's ideas of "harm" (same with "bullying"). The easiest example is pronouns. If you 'misgender' a person or refuse to call them something other than what they appear to be, many LGBT people will call this violence. They want constant validation from the world, they want special treatment, rather than to be left alone. It's easy to leave them alone because I honestly don't care about them and can't relate to their lifestyle. It's the fact that they are loud and demanding (and not all of them are, I will concede) and impose themselves on others that goes against their own idea of tolerance.