Actually if you think about it, not mutilating confused children is the same as genocide and we are looking at Nuremburg 2.0 here

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[–]makesyoudownvote 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (4 children)

This is for them more than us, but I really wish we could at least attempt to have these discussions without using such weighted or leading language.

Take "Trans Rights are human rights". I mean yeah technically. Trans people are human, so any rights they have would be human rights, but then again so are Nazis, murderers, and even wealthy elites.

If I were to say that Elon Musk deserves the right to take anything he wants from anyone at any time, technically thay would be giving a human a right. The problem is that it infringes on the property rights of others. It infringes on their human rights. There is no more fundamental human right than free thought, and when you force people to conceptualize others a certain way you have infringed on these rights. That's what Jordan Peterson was on about with his take on trans rights and the freedom of speech associated with it.

Now to be honorable we should avoid using words like mutilate in any kind of discussion where we actually want to accomplish things. You are free to conceptualize it that way, and obviously you are free to use said language if you want, but it's counter to having a real discussion. They wont use the same language because that's not how they see it. Both parties in good faith need to make an effort to find common language and common ground in having a discussion. They just know that if they ever did, their arguments would mostly fall apart, so the TRAs refuse to.

[–]wristaction 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (3 children)

What common ground do you share with people who groom and mutilate children? I have none. What is yours?

[–]makesyoudownvote 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Well, we both are human, we both speak English, we both believe in human rights even if we have failed to come together on how to define those rights. We both think murder and theft is wrong. We both drink water, we both sleep, eat, and fuck. We share 99.6% of the same DNA. Do I REALLY need to continue or do you want to remain obtuse to the point?

If the US, France, Japan, England and Germany can all make peace after WW2 and become close allies, I think we can manage people who disagree on how to raise their own children.

I think if we started addressing this we might be able to at least stop for now the whole going behind parents back thing at school. That would be a good first step that I would like to see.

[–]wristaction 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

I think a good first step would be to affirm that homosexuals are not stakeholders in the lives of children and that parents who trans their children are criminal abusers. Then we can discuss statutory minimum sentencing and to what extent LGBT organizations can be criminally prosecuted for their interference in public schools.

[–]makesyoudownvote 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Ok