Intellectual honesty is a crime on Reddit

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[–]ActuallyNot 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (20 children)

there are no crackhead kids.

There's quite a lot or research on crackhead kids.

Fetal Cocaine Exposure: Neurologic Effects and Sensory-Motor Delays, for instance.

In what way do they not exist?

"Trans" is something someone does, not what someone is.

That's different from current psychological understanding. You should publish the research you've done to come up with this understanding so that the medical community can adjust their practises.

Or you should go to a bigger town and look around a bit more.

One or the other.

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (12 children)

To be fair, psychological understanding is rapidly changing. And it also puts the cart before the horse. We barely understand the brain as an organ.

[–]ActuallyNot 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (11 children)

Nevertheless current practise is derived from empirical learning about how to improve quality of life, and reduce suicide.

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (10 children)

I think that's an overstatement, the suicide bit. No good long term studies exist for you to make such claims.

Current practice is now political.

[–]ActuallyNot 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

I think that's an overstatement, the suicide bit.

There's a lot more evidence for it than "Trans" is something someone does, not what someone is", which is counter to all the evidence.

There's a lot of work that shows that current practice is aimed at reducing suicidal ideation, improving quality of life, and improving mental health. I think your claim that none of them are long enough term is arbitrary, in the sense that you could always claim, "well what about after 60 years?" then "perhaps it all changes after 70 years?"

The reality is that there's no plausible mechanism for a reversal of satisfaction, mental health or quality of life as some point in time beyond the extent of the longitudinal studies. But even if that was true, the best treatment is the current practise, as far as we know. If a whole lot of octogenarian trans people kill themselves in 40 years, we should revisit the treatment then.

Current practice is now political.

What?

That appears ridiculous. How is making people's lives as good as we can political?

Trans-hatred is political. But is particularly nasty politics. Find a small enough group that they don't have a significant voting power themselves and drum up hatred against them.

You shouldn't hate on people who are already in a difficult situation. Surely that much is basic humanity?

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

And no good long term study was linked. Enough said.

You're putting words in my mouth. Nowhere did any of my comments claim "hatred" against trans. you're full of shit buddy. Get bent.

[–]Vulptex 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

It's no use, he thinks there is only his side and the other side. If you don't agree with him 100% then you "must" be aligned with the side that hates trans.

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Yeah, I blocked his/her/their/xeir ass. lmfao

[–]ActuallyNot 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

And no good long term study was linked. Enough said.

I was thinking of the much-discussed paper last month: Long-Term Regret and Satisfaction With Decision Following Gender-Affirming Mastectomy, Bruce et al, JAMA Surg (2023)

Nowhere did any of my comments claim "hatred" against trans.

I didn't claim there was. I claimed it was that that was political, not their treatment.

you're full of shit buddy.

At least one of us is.

Get bent

You seem upset about something.

[–]Vulptex 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Current practice is definitely political. They're placing all importance on "social transition" and "identity", something that is just made up sexist bullshit. And because of that, people who need treatments can't get them, so they kill themselves, and people who have no business getting them get them, and then they kill themselves because they gave themselves sex dysphoria. Yes, I'll call it sex dysphoria, because "gender" means something different every second.

[–]Vulptex 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

The current practice harms those who would actually kill themselves. Because treating them would require admitting that they probably have some sort of intersex disorder and that gender is not an identity or social construct, which is a BIG no-no.

[–][deleted] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

I don't know about "intersex disorder" but I still fully believe it's a mental illness and I think the fact that it's no longer considered as such is a shame. Gender isn't an identity, although if we were to accept that sex and gender are different things (what the left claims), 'gender' really would be synonymous with personality because they're referring to gender roles and stereotypical gendered behavior.

[–]Vulptex 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

It's an intersex disorder. There are genes linked to the condition, which also just so happen to control neurological hormone functions. And I think it's known to primarily affect the body mapping region. It's a nightmare, which no troon bragging about how "cute" and special they are understands. I think it's about time to find a different term than "trans", which was stolen by people who have no business with it, just like "liberal" was stolen from libertarians.

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Sure. I just think the trans thing is largely NOT about intersex people. It's mostly people born with normal bodies.

[–]clownworlddropout[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (6 children)

Ackshually there are crackhead babies 🤓

...because of their mother's shitty decisions, fittingly enough.

The current psychological understanding of this nonsense is derived from a pedophile that hated men, bullied peers, falsified research, and forced sibling children to preform sex acts on each other.

"Gender dysphoria" is glorified body identity integrity disorder, and this latest batch of transtrenders are the result of a social contagion and have absolutely nothing to do with GD.

[–]ActuallyNot 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

The current psychological understanding of this nonsense is derived from a pedophile that hated men, bullied peers, falsified research, and forced sibling children to preform sex acts on each other.

What's nonsense?

Fetal Cocaine exposure?

What the fuck has that got to do with "a pedophile that hated men"?

If you're talking about someone in particular, why don't you mention their name?

Are you afraid that someone might check what you're on about?

"Gender dysphoria" is glorified body identity integrity disorder

In what way is it glorified?

and this latest batch of transtrenders are the result of a social contagion and have absolutely nothing to do with GD.

Who precisely are you talking about when you say "this latest batch of transtrenders"?

[–]clownworlddropout[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

You seem not very up to speed on this issue, the person I'm referencing is John Money. Look him up.

[–]ActuallyNot 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

The questions you still refuse to clarify:

1) Win what way is gender dysphoria "glorified"?

2) When you talk about "this latest batch of transtrenders[sic]", do you mean people who are in a phase of clarifying their gender, by dressing and living as the other gender, or are you referring to people who have been diagnosed and are taking hormones?

Do you include those in between on puberty blockers?

You seem not very up to speed on this issue, the person I'm referencing is John Money. Look him up.

You're talking about a man who died 17 years ago at the age of 85, who could only be considered responsible for the "latest batch of transgenders" if by latest" you mean from the middle of last century?

And he advocated experimental sex changes for children with ambiguous genitalia, which is not current thinking, and famously advocated sex reassignment for a patient whose penis was damaged in a botched circumcision. Again, that would not be thought to work now. (As it didn't then).

It was much more the demonstrated failures of Money's theories that informs the modern approach to gender dysphoria.

I'm not aware of any accusations that he was a paedophile, nor that he bullied his peers.

His failure to reassign David Reimer showed that he was wrong about gender being a blank slate, and part of the failed treatment did involve simulated sex-like acts with his twin brother. Again that would not be ethical today, and David reported that his treatment at the hands of Money was torturous and abusive.

Your loose comments about the guy make him unrecognisable, not because I'm not up to speed, but because what you're saying doesn't resemble reality.

[–]clownworlddropout[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Oh lord, you used [sic] on me for transtrenders... it's an established portmanteau of "transgender" and "trend" there buddy. You really don't seem to know much about this topic.

  1. Stunning, brave, yada yada. But my usage of the word "glorified" in that context was to imply that GD is BIID but treated differently. BIID swathed in rainbows because it relates to genitals. So special.

  2. Both the kids experimenting with their gender and the kids being experimented on by doctors fall into the transtrender camp. Real GD is a form of BIID and these people don't have it, they're just following a popular online subculture. You must know that right? The Tucutes? GD isn't a required diagnosis anymore?

Money coined the modern usage of the word "gender" and proposed that it's independent of natal sex. He's the root of this nonsense, and yes, most people that are educated on this topic know that.

[–]ActuallyNot 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

it's an established portmanteau of "transgender" and "trend" there buddy

Gee thanks. Now i will be able to more effectively communicate with people from this vivacious "advising transgender people and scientists online" community.

Money coined the modern usage of the word "gender" and proposed that it's independent of natal sex.

I don't believe so. Got a link to the publication?

He's the root of this nonsense, and yes, most people that are educated on this topic know that.

"Educated" meaning they think that Moneys ideas, from the 50s and 60s are the cause of current "transtrenders"?

Is there a new meaning of "educated" that means not that familiar with anything that has happened in the last 60 years?

[–]clownworlddropout[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Check Money's synopsis on the Kinsey Institute's website.

Money's half-baked ideas are the root of this pseudoscience, he's the father of gender ideology.