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[–]Jackalope 8 insightful - 2 fun8 insightful - 1 fun9 insightful - 2 fun -  (4 children)

The Ukraine was invaded.

Yes, because Zelensky refused to remain neutral. Not that I agree with Russia's bullying, but if he thought NATO and the US were going to come save him, he was obviously quite mistaken, and his people are now paying the price.

[–]jet199 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

They didn't think that.

That's why they trained their arses off over the past 8 years.

Putin has said that he doesn't think the Ukraine should exist and their their land should belong to Russia. Why do you think Putin is lying?

[–]Jackalope 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

Putin has said that he doesn't think the Ukraine should exist and their their land should belong to Russia. Why do you think Putin is lying?

I don't. I am merely questioning the adoring narrative surrounding Zelensky. Obviously Putin is a bad guy, I just am not convinced Zelensky is a hero, and the media isn't giving me very balanced or nuanced coverage. Putin bad! Ukraine good! Is all I ever hear from the media, and yes, Putin bad, but I am not willing to confer hero status to Zelensky just yet.

[–]Id123456789 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

They didn't think that.

So he is intentionally destroying Ukraine and getting Ukrainian people killed on purpose? Ukraine was obviously being used as bait in order to get rid of Putin, with the destruction of the country being deemed worth it in order to remove a constant thorn in the Neocons/neoliberals side, Putin.

Ukraine has basically zero chance of "winning" at this point. The neocon goal is to turn it into another Afghanistan in order to bleed the Russians. Zelenksy was either too fucking stupid to know this, or too sociopathic to care. Take your pick. Either way he brought about the destruction of his country.

[–]Cass 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

because Zelensky refused to remain neutral

Also killed children in Donbas and stopped the fresh water supply to 2 million people in Crimea. That clown had it coming.