What do you miss most about r/TrueLesbians?

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[–]BigMommyMilkers 17 insightful - 17 fun17 insightful - 16 fun18 insightful - 17 fun -  (62 children)

exclusively dates bi women

Why would you torture yourself like this

[–]censorshipment 2 insightful - 19 fun2 insightful - 18 fun3 insightful - 19 fun -  (61 children)

Unpopular opinion: I think butches (such as myself) should only date bi women. Femmes should date femmes so lesbian couples won't be mistaken for straight couples if the butches are manly (like me). Femme4femme is the proper representation of a lesbian couple, so I try to encourage femmes who want to date me to date femmes.

[–]VioletRemi 27 insightful - 2 fun27 insightful - 1 fun28 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

Why should we be artificially limiting women we love and date just because of someone else's opinion and because someone else can mistaken us for something different? I am loving women not for audience, but for myself.

[–]MyLongestJourney 24 insightful - 2 fun24 insightful - 1 fun25 insightful - 2 fun -  (12 children)

WTF. Who you should date :Anyone )you like and b) should have you.

I am butch and date other butches. I do not give a fuck about how others perceive us. I know what we are : Women outside of stereotypes dating other women outside of stereotypes.

[–]censorshipment 2 insightful - 13 fun2 insightful - 12 fun3 insightful - 13 fun -  (11 children)

I saw a pic of 2 butches getting married and thought they were gay men. That's improper representation of a lesbian relationship.

[–]knownasness 22 insightful - 3 fun22 insightful - 2 fun23 insightful - 3 fun -  (4 children)

how is it improper when they're both lesbians? them being lesbians is proper representation because it's what they are. that'd be like someone telling me i misrepresent black people because i'm light skinned or that i misrepresent americans because i'm not dumb as fuck. it makes no sense. you can't misrepresent something when you ARE what you are. people come in all different kinds of styles, you can't write them off simply because they don't look like what you believe they should look like. you aren't less of a woman or a lesbian because you dress in mens clothing. do you also have a problem with effeminate gay men? or androgynous(not butch) men/women? how are you different yourself and think like this? WHY do you think like this?

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    [–]AlexisK 17 insightful - 1 fun17 insightful - 0 fun18 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

    natural behaviour

    This at same time sounds extremely racist and sexist. Are you some troll, cosplaying as lesbian, from reddit? On TrueLesbians we had such time to time.

    [–]censorshipment 1 insightful - 10 fun1 insightful - 9 fun2 insightful - 10 fun -  (0 children)

    No.

    [–]knownasness 9 insightful - 1 fun9 insightful - 0 fun10 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    why do you think like this?

    [–]MyLongestJourney 8 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 0 fun9 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

    Your problem is not everyone else's problem.

    [–]censorshipment 2 insightful - 9 fun2 insightful - 8 fun3 insightful - 9 fun -  (3 children)

    I have no problem... just unpopular opinions. :)

    [–]MyLongestJourney 11 insightful - 1 fun11 insightful - 0 fun12 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

    Frankly,it is quite obvious you are a troll.

    [–]censorshipment 1 insightful - 8 fun1 insightful - 7 fun2 insightful - 8 fun -  (0 children)

    But I'm not.

    [–]MyLongestJourney 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    LOL

    [–]piylot[S] 19 insightful - 1 fun19 insightful - 0 fun20 insightful - 1 fun -  (15 children)

    That is an unpopular opinion! If femme4femme should be encouraged because it's the "proper representation" of a lesbian couple, wouldn't that same reasoning say it should be encouraged for all lesbians to be femme because this is better representation?

    [–]censorshipment 2 insightful - 12 fun2 insightful - 11 fun3 insightful - 12 fun -  (14 children)

    Yes, I also think all lesbians should be femmes (not "high femmes", low maintenance femmes are the norm)... but I think that's more complicated due to biology (such as me having a hormonal imbalance and being more masculine) and astrology (yes, I believe in that... my chart is so masculine, mostly fire/air).

    [–]VioletRemi 22 insightful - 2 fun22 insightful - 1 fun23 insightful - 2 fun -  (12 children)

    That is some gender stereotypes and gender roles pandering.

    [–]censorshipment 1 insightful - 11 fun1 insightful - 10 fun2 insightful - 11 fun -  (11 children)

    And? Women should look like women. Yes, I'm butch as fuck saying this.

    [–]VioletRemi 25 insightful - 2 fun25 insightful - 1 fun26 insightful - 2 fun -  (10 children)

    Woman always looks like a woman, because she is a woman, always. Not sure why you are so obsessed on imposing onto women those male-made sex stereotypes of how we should look or behave.

    [–]censorshipment 2 insightful - 9 fun2 insightful - 8 fun3 insightful - 9 fun -  (9 children)

    That's not true. And I'm not obsessed. I'm replying to shit. On the GC - actually the LGBdroptheT - sub, someone thought a lesbian named Laine was a man larping as a woman... because Laine looks like a damn man. When GCers are mistaking gnc women for men... Houston, we have a problem.

    https://saidit.net/s/LGBDropTheT/comments/7azo/breaking_news_older_lesbian_grows_a_dick_world/

    [–]VioletRemi 17 insightful - 1 fun17 insightful - 0 fun18 insightful - 1 fun -  (8 children)

    And what? Some GC women are very lesbophobic, some lesbians are very self-hating and lesbophobic as well. It does not mean that because of this we should follow male-made stereotypes and please male gaze or that we should "stop being lesbians" - just because someone can confuse us with something else, or who thinks what we should or should not love and look like. We are lesbians and we are all about women and women only.

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      [–]Srime 15 insightful - 6 fun15 insightful - 5 fun16 insightful - 6 fun -  (2 children)

      Yuck, butch4butch master race

      [–]MyLongestJourney 8 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 0 fun9 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

      Yeeeeeees!Except the master race part,unless it was a joke.

      [–]Srime 12 insightful - 2 fun12 insightful - 1 fun13 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

      Yeah that's a meme lol

      [–]votkriscan 11 insightful - 1 fun11 insightful - 0 fun12 insightful - 1 fun -  (7 children)

      That is a rather unique perspective. I've very rarely seen a butch4femme butch woman defend femme4femme like this. Over at my end, there are sometimes arguments between butch4femme and femme4femme lesbians. Even though I'm femme4femme, I've often thought that butch/butch lesbian women are far more natural and authentic in their romances and relationships than even femme/femme or butch/femme.

      Where I'm at, the butch/femme demographic does have the largest number of straight/bisexual femme women(who exclusively date butch women). However, lesbian femmes(who exclusively date butch women) still exist and it's a good thing when both can find each other.

      [–]Elvira95 8 insightful - 9 fun8 insightful - 8 fun9 insightful - 9 fun -  (5 children)

      Straight women date masculine women? The straight types of women who hate men, I suppose

      [–]votkriscan 4 insightful - 3 fun4 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 3 fun -  (4 children)

      Ironically, they are really not that sort. It's actually because it's clear that they are romantically and sexually attracted to men, that it's obvious they are not gay. As to why, many reasons, from a greater availability of people to date, curiosity, a desire for different treatment that what they are currently getting out of men..etc..

      Dating a woman is also fairly consequence-free. No live penis near the vagina or anywhere else. No pregnancy. And leaving lesbian relationships (and gay ones for the matter) are way easier than leaving heterosexual ones.

      [–]Elvira95 11 insightful - 1 fun11 insightful - 0 fun12 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

      I don't get it. Like they have a gigantic dating pool- It would make more sense for a lesbian to date men, it the problem were greater avaiability of people to date. But that would not be possible, since we're not attracted to dick. I guess if they date a stone butch, they might avoid licking pussy, making it more tolerable

      [–]votkriscan 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

      Oh for sure. But I must clarify that it's not every straight woman who is interested in butch women. It's just that the proportion is larger in comparison to the other two lesbian demographics.

      [–]strictly 11 insightful - 1 fun11 insightful - 0 fun12 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

      It's actually because it's clear that they are romantically and sexually attracted to men, that it's obvious they are not gay.

      They could be bisexual, into both sexes. A bisexual woman can lean heterosexual and have a narrow type in women. But if she has a type in woman then I wouldn’t call her straight.

      Dating a woman is also fairly consequence-free. No live penis near the vagina or anywhere else. No pregnancy.

      As a lesbian I wouldn’t want to be with a man even if he had had a penis amputation. I wouldn’t care how much being open to such men would increase my dating pool as I’m not into men so forcing myself to be with someone I don’t want to be with would just be pointless torture. I have assumed straight women feel like me regarding women as I feel about men, that it would be torture for them to be in a sexual/romantic relationship with a woman. I don’t think lack of pregnancy risk provides enough motivation for a woman to have sex with someone who is sexually repelling to her. If she doesn’t want to get pregnant she could choose to not have sex at all and thus avoid sex that would be repelling to her. And if she likes sex with women then I don’t think she can be considered straight, she would be bisexual.

      [–]votkriscan 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

      You are definitely right. I have no clue what it's like to date a MTF (a man identifying as a woman) either, precisely because I'm a lesbian. But before I go on, I need to re-state that it's not every straight woman who does this, but just a portion of them. I presume they were straight, because that's what some of the other lesbians were calling them, amongst other things. So, I was hazarding some guesses as to why, and benefit dating might just be one of the reasons. Unlike MTFs, some lesbians (in this case, butch lesbians), could treat their partners like queens. Thus, together with the fact that there are no consequences to being with a woman, such a thing could be possible despite not being attracted.

      [–]Shroomba 9 insightful - 1 fun9 insightful - 0 fun10 insightful - 1 fun -  (19 children)

      Couldn't a butch and bi woman couple also get mistaken as a straight couple? Whatever your preferences, your preferences though.

      [–]Srime 9 insightful - 3 fun9 insightful - 2 fun10 insightful - 3 fun -  (18 children)

      I guess it wouldn't matter b/c it'd only "tarnish" the image of bisexuals and masculine lesbians, not the "proper" lesbians lol

      [–]reader 8 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 0 fun9 insightful - 1 fun -  (17 children)

      Following this logic, butches should either: femme up or pretend to be bisexual or straight, so they wouldn't shame lesbian name.They should never admit, they are lesbian. You know, what is the best thing censorshipment could do for lesbian representation and good name. She should find boyfriend!

      [–]censorshipment 1 insightful - 11 fun1 insightful - 10 fun2 insightful - 11 fun -  (16 children)

      I'm thinking about using estrogen patches to be more feminine when I turn 40 in 2023. I want to experience complete womanhood.

      [–]VioletRemi 11 insightful - 2 fun11 insightful - 1 fun12 insightful - 2 fun -  (5 children)

      How are you different to gender woo crowd then?

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        [–]VioletRemi 10 insightful - 2 fun10 insightful - 1 fun11 insightful - 2 fun -  (3 children)

        You said you will be taking it not for health issues, but for "looking more feminine" kind of "issues". Which is gender stereotypes thing, not health related one.

        [–]censorshipment 2 insightful - 9 fun2 insightful - 8 fun3 insightful - 9 fun -  (2 children)

        Yes because I'm butch due to biology... connect the dots, sis.

        [–]reader 8 insightful - 3 fun8 insightful - 2 fun9 insightful - 3 fun -  (1 child)

        It won't work. Just marry a man. A MTF one, so no one would take you for a lesbian. If you marry a normal man someone my suspect you are closeted. If you marry MTF everyone will know you are not lesbian.

        [–]piylot[S] 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (7 children)

        Do you think you'll be femme then?

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          [–]piylot[S] 7 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 0 fun8 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

          What if it made you straight? And what are you looking forward to about being femme?

          [–]censorshipment 1 insightful - 9 fun1 insightful - 8 fun2 insightful - 9 fun -  (4 children)

          I don't believe sexuality is mutable. I think it may drastically lower my high libido which would be awful. The best thing about having higher T is being horny for hours without the inconvenience of an erection... just vaginal discharge which isn't uncomfortable to me.

          I look forward to being less physically needed as a femme... like no one expecting me to pick up heavy shit.