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[–]FrostyNugs 13 insightful - 1 fun13 insightful - 0 fun14 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I think your partner is right, OP. Looking over social media and seeking out stuff that upsets you isn't doing you any good, and it sounds like you could definitely benefit from therapy. It sounds like you may be suffering from intrusive thoughts, and therapists are trained to help people deal with that. It's also not uncommon for lesbians to wish they had just been born as straight guys, especially if they're living in a heavily homophobic place. For what it's worth from a stranger on the internet, I'm sorry that you're going through this and I hope it gets better for you soon.

[–][deleted] 13 insightful - 1 fun13 insightful - 0 fun14 insightful - 1 fun -  (13 children)

get a grip, girl!

I'm sorry if that comes across as insensitive, but that's just my pep-talk style and I mean it in an encouraging way 😁👍

With the tone of your post I was expecting it to include things about conversion therapy or "corrective" rape. I'm not saying you don't have the right to feel the way you do about the homophobia that surrounds you, but for the most part it seems like stuff that you can just... ignore?

The fact is, homophobia like that is likely going to exist for the rest of your life. Those people will never change so you have to either change the way you react to them or live a shitty life. I used to get completely enraged by all the "lesbians don't exist" homophobes but now my feelings towards them have mellowed out into disgust, pity and even indifference. It can be done if you actively work towards feeling more neutral about it and having the self-respect to value your own desires and well-being over what others think of you.

I think you should take your partner's advice and go to therapy and get rid of social media. I also like lovvlie's idea about blocking the websites.

[–][deleted] 8 insightful - 2 fun8 insightful - 1 fun9 insightful - 2 fun -  (12 children)

it does come across as insensitive. "im sorry but.." doesn't change it. i live in a homophobic community and am also running into it a lot online to the point where i found this website looking for help. it was very sweet of you to tell me to just get over it when i am very clearly having a hard time and have literally been disowned recently. next time ill try harder to ignore my entire family thinking im gross and going against god as well as my online community treating lesbians poorly to the point where you guys have been banned from mainstream media and had to go to this other website.

thanks a lot. maybe in the future you shouldn't be the person who responds to threads where people are having a hard time. literally everyone else has been helpful. please dont talk to me anymore.

[–][deleted] 11 insightful - 6 fun11 insightful - 5 fun12 insightful - 6 fun -  (11 children)

I was trying to lift you out of the victim mentality, but judging by your responses to the other replies you seem to enjoy it 🤷

[–]sickofit 8 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 0 fun9 insightful - 1 fun -  (10 children)

Dude, sometimes people are just having a rough time. You’re being an asshole. They already told you to leave them alone and in their other responses they already said that they found a therapist they want to hire. You aren’t some hero for telling some kid being disowned and feeling alone that they’re just choosing to be a victim. She clearly is not very happy about being a lesbian and telling her to just ignore it and shut up is a load of crap. Just stop.

[–][deleted] 10 insightful - 1 fun10 insightful - 0 fun11 insightful - 1 fun -  (9 children)

I didn't say she chose to be disowned, I said she's choosing to have a victim mentality towards her situation. Read my first reply, I gave her some no nonsense advice but because it was not coddling, she threw it back.

[–]sickofit 7 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 0 fun8 insightful - 1 fun -  (8 children)

I did read your comments. You’ve made it perfectly clear that you think a kid feeling sad and alone because they got disowned by their family and are seeing a lot of homophobia even in the gay community is “choosing to have a victim mentality”. Believe it or not, being disowned isn’t a fun experience and telling someone they’re “choosing to have a victim mentality” for being sad about it is bullshit. Your “no nonsense advice” is you being an asshole, not you being some incredible protector of the truth. Stop.

[–][deleted] 9 insightful - 2 fun9 insightful - 1 fun10 insightful - 2 fun -  (7 children)

I like no nonsense advice which is why I give it to others. I don't give it to be an asshole. You're just assuming things.

Btw, she edited that disowned part in.

[–]TalerTest 9 insightful - 2 fun9 insightful - 1 fun10 insightful - 2 fun -  (4 children)

About a month ago someone made a very similar post which was later removed. I think people like this want a sympathy hug-box rather than advice. Speaking from my own experience, it's best to ignore them if you have nothing gooey and sensitive to say.

[–][deleted] 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

She could also just not tell someone they have a "victim mentality."

Either they do, in which case they'll react poorly. Or they don't, in which case they'll react poorly. It's just a shitty, unhelpful thing to say to anyone.

[–]TalerTest 10 insightful - 1 fun10 insightful - 0 fun11 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I thought that was a fair comment. She gave OP some sound advice but it was met with hostility. On top of that, OP edited her original comment to add all of that 'woe is me' stuff to make herself look like even more of a victim. I don't know about you but I call that a victim mentality. I also don't like way OP assumes she's the only one who comes from a homophobic background and kept trying to use that as some kind of sympathy card.

[–]sickofit 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Right? Like either way you're just insulting someone for being sad and essentially telling them it's their fault for feeling upset at all. What a crappy way to treat someone who is clearly already having a rough time and decided to reach out for help. All she said was that she felt lonely and wished she knew fewer homophobes and more fellow lesbians. It was clearly making her depressed and was hard to accept. But no, it must just be that everyone else here is spewing "nonsense" while this lady is the truth bringer.

[–][deleted] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Lesson learnt 😁

[–]sickofit 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Whether or not you intend to be an asshole, you are. Insulting someone and blaming them for "choosing to be a victim" is such a shitty way to react to a person who is clearly struggling with homophobia in their life and having a hard time with their sexuality. Plus literally everyone on this subreddit is having a hard time with the state of the lgbtkjalksdfj community, or we wouldn't be here. But no, you're just honest while everyone else is spreading "nonsense", and anyone who disagrees with your behavior just enjoys feeling terrible. Sure.

[–][deleted] 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I know I'm an asshole, but I honestly was not intending to be one in my first reply. I told her to work on self-respect and learning how to value her own desires and care for her own well-being. I had no idea that would anger people. I don't know where your obsession with me thinking I'm a "truth bringer" comes from but you need to chill, kid. Like I said, I like it when people give me no-nonsense advice so I do the same to others. If someone only wants coddling words of pity, maybe they should preface their post with that?

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    [–][deleted] 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (6 children)

    its like I have to do it because otherwise I don't know what I'm talking about. I like it when my girlfriend uses a strap on me so it makes me feel like if I closed my eyes or something maybe it would feel the same and its my fault. as an update i was even looking at this saidit and i saw that post about the subreddit r/lesbianstryd*ck and now i feel like im going to throw up and feel awful all over again.

    [–][deleted]  (5 children)

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      [–][deleted] 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

      so many people always say that sex with a penis is true sex so im like what if a dick is really so much better than a strap and if i did it then i would realize that im really straight? or something. i know it doesnt always make sense i just hear it a lot and its making me feel like lesbians dont exist and im just being naive or something to think that i am one. being a lesbian has done me no favors in life anyway so theres that too.

      [–][deleted] 14 insightful - 5 fun14 insightful - 4 fun15 insightful - 5 fun -  (0 children)

      If a dick was so great more straight women would have orgasms. Most do not, from dick

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        [–][deleted] 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

        if it was just guys saying it then i would think theyre just horny. but its hard to go somewhere that is supposed to be for lesbians and see so many women saying these kinds of things. thats what makes me feel gross way more than men just wishing they could have sex with somebody. because they take it from a fantasy into reality by claiming theyre a lesbian that likes men or saying that lesbians are fluid, so theyre basically telling the men that theyre right. i wish i knew people like you but i dont, and when i try to find them i find the other ones who make me feel even worse. i wish i had an older lesbian aunt or something so when i felt this way i could go to her house and feel like im not alone.

        [–]florasis 8 insightful - 4 fun8 insightful - 3 fun9 insightful - 4 fun -  (0 children)

        WTF is this bullshit? Sex with a penis true sex? LMAO It's just a sausage and it isn't even good to make hetero women come. In fact, a pussy is 100 percent better than dick to make women come as there is full clit stimulation, while in penis in vag there is no, and women hardly feel much or come. A dildo is just a plastic toy. It isn't sex, it just playing with a toy with a woman,it has nothing to do with being in contact with a penis and having relationship with males. Lesbians do exist. But we live in super phallocentric and misogynistic society, so lesbian relationships are treated as not valid or inferior, and either people believe lesbians are not real and every women want cock or believe there is must to always being a phallo involved (imagine lesbians having to use dildo). But that's just retard bullshit from retard sexist society, nothing else.

        [–][deleted] 11 insightful - 1 fun11 insightful - 0 fun12 insightful - 1 fun -  (7 children)

        You should get off of the threads that make you sick, right away. You should go to therapy to learn tools to help you divert the uncomfortable and traumatic thoughts.

        And the dysphoria is a pretty normal part of being a lesbian. It’s probably caused by the guilt you feel about not living a heteronormative life, and the way people judge you, and how you judge yourself for being a lesbian. When you start to accept yourself more, and are able to break away from those difficult and painful thoughts, it will ease. I hope it does, anyhow, it did for me.

        I didn’t have the types of fantasies you have, but honestly, you live in a much more disgusting and pornified world than the world I came out into in the 90s, and the community is full of creepy cosplayers and gender idiots. I can see how that would maybe cause some really dark, self-punishing, looping thoughts.

        But you’re going to be okay. Do seek help so your gf is not the only support. Do it for her if you cant do it for yourself because it’s going to be hard on her to be the only support, no matter how deeply she loves you. You will be okay. Your thoughts are not you, remember that.

        [–][deleted] 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (6 children)

        i'm really looking into therapy now. i was worried that the therapists would lean woke so i'm hoping that i can find an older person. its a little expensive but hopefully ill be able to budget for it.

        [–][deleted] 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

        I would stay away from lgbt specific counsellors etc because they are likely all drinking the TRA koolaid

        EDIT: i would look for a woman, also.

        [–][deleted] 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

        ikr? thats what i mean, it blows. but i found one guy who seems like he could be a good choice.

        [–][deleted] 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

        I know a lot of LGBT therapists and they ARE, indeed, drinking the koolaid.

        My therapist is a straight woman in her late 60s. She’s never tried to pull any “fluid” shit on me

        [–][deleted] 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

        she sounds cool. if its alright with you where do you live in case she's close to me too? i feel like sometimes straight people understand us better because they know what its like to only like one type of person.

        [–][deleted] 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

        She’s actually leaving therapy soon and doing something else, waaaah

        [–][deleted] 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

        it really do be like that sometimes

        [–][deleted] 9 insightful - 1 fun9 insightful - 0 fun10 insightful - 1 fun -  (8 children)

        i'm so sorry you're going thru this. yes that's a form of self-harm. intrusive thoughts & obsessions are definitely something a therapist should be able to help you with. you should follow your partner's advice. see if you can install browser extensions that block the websites that stress you out, since you have to be online for work & find offline hobbies. even if it's something silly or simple, it's better than reading harmful things online. being a lesbian is not a choice, nor is it bad or a sin. love is beautiful, love between women is beautiful, and you can work thru this.

        [–][deleted] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (7 children)

        honestly im also partially scared because many therapists are very woke and they may be the type to agree with this kind of thinking and just shame me for having a problem with it. but im looking. im trying to find an older therapist so maybe they wont be as into that stuff.

        [–][deleted] 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (6 children)

        no one can force you to sleep with a man, and if they suggest you try, you can find another therapist. the first therapist you see may not be the perfect fit, but as you seem to be in great distress, i think it would be well worth at least trying therapy out. explain that you are having obsessive intrusive thoughts due to environmental homophobia. it's unfortunate that straight/bi women pretend to be lesbians to entice men, but i assure you that does not mean actual homosexual women don't exist. we very much do. lesbians are real. regardless of your sexuality, you will never ever need to sleep with a man. no woman ever needs to try sleeping with men, no matter who she is. period.

        [–][deleted] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

        its just really hard to find other people like me. i wish i had a lesbian aunt or something. but i am looking for therapy and hoping that i can find someone in my budget. the cost really is a little crazy.

        [–][deleted] 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

        yeah, it's really hard being so isolated but you're not alone in that feeling, i think all of us here wish it were easier to network. i do hope you can find something, maybe someone who works on a sliding scale. the price is unfortunate but your mental health is incredibly important. i think just getting away from social media would do a lot of good for you though, and that's free at least. :)

        [–][deleted] 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

        me too. i hope one day it becomes easier to meet other lesbians again. a few times i read about how in the past there were a lot of lesbian bars and things going on. i actually found one therapist that i think im going to try, he's a middle aged guy and is familiar with lgbt stuff but is more focused on depression and things like that. hopefully it works out well. i might update.

        [–][deleted] 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

        i have hope that this whole gender mania thing will calm down eventually & we'll have our spaces again. hopefully he can provide you with some good tools, & if it doesn't feel right, there are others out there. feel free to update if you'd like. we've all had our struggles, you're gonna get thru this. :)

        [–][deleted] 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

        thank you for your help, have a great day :)

        [–][deleted] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

        no probs & right back at ya!!! <3

        [–]carrotcake 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

        I'm so sorry this is happening to you. I also think you should go to therapy, it can really help you. You DON'T have to have sex with a man to find out if you're a lesbian. Please don't do that to yourself. One thing would be if you were desiring man, another completely different is wanting to have sex with men because you feel bad for not desiring them. That doesn't sound bisexual at all.

        [–][deleted] 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

        i feel like lesbians aren't real because i keep hearing this kind of message online and in real life. even here i came for help but as soon as i started scrolling through the posts i found one about the subreddit r/lesbianstryd*ck which of course that exists. and of course its full of people saying lesbians like men, including women who say they are lesbians but sleep with and date men. it just makes me feel like we dont exist so if i would sleep with a man maybe i would get used to it. i just feel sick when i keep seeing this and sometimes it makes me physically shake.

        [–]carrotcake 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

        We exist and we are here. Please take care of yourself.

        [–]sickofit 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

        I know how you feel. I’ve been feeling really alone, too. I know it’s hard to find other lesbians, but is there anyone you know from school or work? Even if you aren’t “friends” with them, they’d probably be receptive to talking to you about these things. I would guess that a lot of them have struggled with the same things.

        I haven’t had thoughts that were as bad but I have dealt with wishing I was a straight guy. I sent a dm to a lesbian I (barely) knew in college and talked to her about it. She could relate and it made me feel a little better. I suggest doing this in addition to therapy. You can send me a message too. Wishing you the best.

        [–][deleted] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

        i know one or two from school but they're queer activists. i wish though.

        [–]sickofit 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

        Ahhh. Well, my inbox is still open if you need a friend. I’m on the younger side and it sounds like you are too.

        [–][deleted] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

        thank you, i sent a message :)

        [–]LeaveAmsgAfterBeep 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

        Not that I can diagnose and I probably do mention it often, but my own experiences which were years of OCD and internalized homophobia and misogyny leads me to believe your partner is right. Social media is a trigger and you’re using it to trigger yourself.

        It sounds like you may have some similarities to the symptoms of a few types of OCD or anxiety, which your environment would not be surprising and I honestly think this stuff is going to be more common for lesbians of the young generations (which I’m part of too). There is /r/heterosexualt_OCD which is a small sub and I do think it is worth looking at some of the advice and support there which OCD or not can explain some of these thought patterns (which I tend to reply to posts, others do too). (For the record heterosexual OCD is the kind of sexuality focused obsessive compulsive disorder experienced by LGB people- not by straight people- they experience homosexual OCD because the names are based around what you are obsessing over.)

        I had moderate/severe OCD most of my life and have been recovered for several years and I want to lend support to anyone else going through it because it sucked to be alone. One thing you may want to know is if you do in fact end up diagnosed with OCD, reassurance will actually only help in the immediate term and the obsessive/compulsive element can end up rebounding almost worse than before, for this reason conditions involving an obsessive and compulsive cycle are often discouraged from asking or receiving reassurance for their fears and this involved help from loved ones.

        If I can be helpful at all, feel free to send me a message even if it’s just to vent here or on /r/