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[–]writerlylesbian 7 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 0 fun8 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

I wasn't saying I think the right-wing women are dumb, I was saying that it's pretty infantalizing to assume that feminists and/or lesbians are too politically naive to be able to make strategic alliances on certain issues and not be taken advantage of by the Big Bad Right. And anyone who IS that politically naive, will be taken advantage of by everyone. (Which does happen pretty regularly in activist groups, especially inexperienced groups).

It is also an abuser tactic, to tell the person (or in this case class) being abused that the rest of the world hates them so much that they are safest with the abuser and will fail and be even worse off if they leave the 'protection' of the abuser. That's pretty much what the Left has been doing to women and the LGB for a while. Don't have the patience to be lectured to like that by the dude-bros, personally.

If the Left are going to refuse to let lesbians speak, and then turn around the demonise the lesbians for going and speaking on another platform, then that is a problem wholly created by the Left, not the lesbians. And of course the Left is going to be angry at the lesbians for not doing what they're told, because it's about control. The right wing thing is just obfuscation. If those lesbians had been hosted by the Most Left Wing Socialist Society Ever! (TM), the Left still would have been just as angry about it. They just would have made up different bullshit reasons as to why the lesbians were wrong.

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I think some critics, like myself, are responding to actual things and actual deeds, not just the “idea” of the right as Big Evil. I think unilaterally holding up the left as to blame is the exact same thing the left does. The left and right react to eachother publicly. That’s about all they do in public, but the legislation they are pushing is the thing to pay attention to.