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[–]writerlylesbian 17 insightful - 1 fun17 insightful - 0 fun18 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

If it makes you feel any better, I've been watching this shit-show unfold since the early 2000s, and I've never seen as much awareness and resistance to it all as there is now. The idea of someone like JK Rowling coming to the support of lesbians would have been unthinkable back then. No disrespect meant to her, but if she'd been aware of the 'conflict' back then, I am pretty certain she would have been on the pro-trans and anti-lesbian side, because that was just the default position that the nice, clueless allies took. We even have some conservatives speaking up for us. And I know there are different perspectives on that, not everyone likes it, but again...20 years ago, that would have been unthinkable. The bannings are happening because we're getting too loud and too organised and too effective. So we just need to keep doing more of the same.

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    [–]writerlylesbian 11 insightful - 1 fun11 insightful - 0 fun12 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

    Yep. You're right in everything you say. Even if I wasn't there for a lot of that, what you say matches up with other accounts I've read, and also a lot of things I've seen myself, particularly non-lesbians insisting on calling themselves lesbians and being in lesbian spaces. Not in all cases, but in many cases the non-lesbians were the ones at the vanguard of insisting lesbians be more open to having men in our spaces.

    It's one of the reasons why I think lesbians need to be vigilant and tell all the bisexuals and celibate straight women wanting to hide from their own toxic culture to buzz along and stay out of our lesbian-only spaces. There are plenty of other spaces where they can mingle with lesbians if they want to.

    [–]MyLongestJourney 14 insightful - 1 fun14 insightful - 0 fun15 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    I watch this shit-show almost as long as you and you are right.I always believed that their end would come if their vile demands and tactics spilled to the mainstream and started harming heterosexual people.

    [–]Ricky_Ticky 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    It does make me feel better, indeed! Thank you for sharing how things unfolded, I wasn't aware of it. Yes, we just continue to be loud and organized and it's all going to be fine again.