ViolenceHorrifying "crime of passion" in Athens,Greece .17year old girl brutally murders 22 year old girlfriend (article in Greek).

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[–]MyLongestJourney[S] 8 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 0 fun9 insightful - 1 fun -  (10 children)

Disclaimer. I, in no way or form attempt to use this case to draw conclusions for the groups of people one of the two young women belongs too.But there are interesting elements in this story,closely linked with the issues of so called gender identity and it's connection with certain neurological and mental diseases.I also have no other place to have an honest conversation about this incredibly sad story. Sigh.. So here it goes.

Five days ago in Athens a 17year old girl brutally murdered her 22 year old girlfriend. Smashed her head with a bottle and stabbed her over 40 times.Allegedly the victim requested to end their relationship,both under pressure from the victims family and the erratic behavior of the perpetrator who suffers from Asperger's syndrome and was also taking medications for bipolar disorder.Her parents had tried for years to find a cure for their daughters mental problems,spending thousands of euros and trying one psychiatrist after another to no avail.The last year she had stopped taking her medications and going to school and the other young woman was meeting with her and trying to comfort her.

The victim's father released a statement yesterday where amongst other things informed the public that the 17year old murderer started identifying as a man since the last year.Then,his daughter who had stopped seeing her girlfriend for many months (threats of legal action against the victims family were issued by the 17 year olds family in order to break them up and her father advised the 23 year old to end it) started meeting with her again until she had finally enough due to her aggressive behavior and requested to end their relationship again.A fight broke up and the 17 year old went amok.She was arrested and due process is being followed.

There is so much to unravel in this. The mental health issues. The parents attempts to end the relationship. The horrible violence which is practically unheard in this country when the murderer is a woman,especially this young. The way this case is used by anti-feminists to attack the concept of feminicide.The connection between autism and gender identity disorder. And finally the tragic loss of life of someone who tried to stand by their beloved.

[–]chazzstrong 7 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 0 fun8 insightful - 1 fun -  (7 children)

I'm starting to get really interested in the apparent link between autism and trans-psychosis.
At first I just figured it was all baloney because every kid identifies as autistic these days for sympathy points, and maybe it still is, but even doctors and support staff are weighing in on the phenomenon. Is it just because they are more prone to societal pressure, or is there a deeper link? Sadly we probably won't know for decades due to the taboo the current outrage mob, and what their reaction would be to the mere suggestion.

I also wonder if the 17 year old had started taking testosterone? That would certainly have an effect on her aggression.

[–]Q-Continuum-kin 11 insightful - 1 fun11 insightful - 0 fun12 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

The autism link seems to be related to an inability to recognize the difference between men and women until older. For some reason they lack the ability to intuitively understand the difference so they substitute stereotypes as a way to understand the difference.

[–]Chocolatepudding 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Feeling like they don't fit in is very common with autistic children and young people. Or feeling different. Doesn't make them the opposite gender ofc I think it's a hook to hang everything on

[–]MyLongestJourney[S] 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

I'm starting to get really interested in the apparent link between autism and trans-psychosis.

Same here.

I also wonder if the 17 year old had started taking testosterone? That would certainly have an effect on her aggression.

There is zero evidence for this. Her parents closely monitored her. The main issue here is her refusing to take her medications.

ISSUING A CORRECTION. Her parents claim her 22 girlfriend and victim,had pressured the 17 year old to transition and applied testosterone gel with her testosterone levels eventually reaching "1.500" (fifteen hundred???Also no units given).

[–]chazzstrong 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Ah. I wasn't making assumptions, just legitimately curious. I figured if they were "transitioning" it was a possibility.

[–]MyLongestJourney[S] 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

No worries. Edit : Please see the corrections I posted.

[–]MyLongestJourney[S] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Upon new information released ,the 17year old parents claim she was taking testosterone in gel form without their knowledge,that physical changes were apparent,but that they managed to convince her to stop and focus on her studies.

The parents claim it was her girlfriend that convinced their daughter that she would look better as a man and who supplied her with testosterone gel,which brought physical changes like more muscle mass,that her testosterone levels reached 1.500 at one point etc. Bear in mind these are the parents claims. The victim can not speak. But there maybe chat logs that can prove or disprove the claim.

In any case the girl was very aggressive and "broke doors and things" before taking testosterone.

[–]QueenBread 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Can we stop with the bullshit American new definition of "autism"? It makes being socially awkward, nerdy and introverted seem like a physical disease that needs medication. REAL autism is a rare and very severe neurological issue that makes people into unfeeling, unresponsive dolls unable to live normally. The "American autism" is just "let's turn being socially awkward into a medical disease so we can milk money out of it..... socially awkward people will love it anyway because they will be able to blame their personality on a supposed medical condition instead of trying to improve!".

[–]Chocolatepudding 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Not taking psych med's far more likely to be a factor than Asperger's

[–]MyLongestJourney[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I think it is Asperger's combined with a sense of ultimate loss and betrayal. According to her parents she did not have any friends even as a little kid.They describe that serious problems in her behavior started in puberty. She would be very aggressive, she would break doors etc. Her schoolmates describe she would also be very aggressive at school resulting in her getting suspended.At one point they got her to a psychiatrist who diagnosed her with depression and gave her meds.There is no mention if those meds suppressed that aggression.I think she wanted to be with that girl so much,she was willing to do anything to stay with her.So she took testosterone in order to appeal to the girlfriend but when she was forced/convinced to stop,the victim wanted out (the parental pressure and the weird/aggressive behavior of the 17year old being a co factor in that decision). She felt so betrayed she went amok.

[–]MyLongestJourney[S] 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Update on the case :

The 17 year old perpetrator claimed :

1.They met through Tinder in autumn 2021.Their relationship turned erotic during 2022's spring.

2.It was the 23 year old victim who was pursuing her,visiting her daily,even at the objection of the 17 year old's parents and insisting they lock themselves in her room, "in order to have sex".

3.It was the 23 year old victim ,who convinced the 17 year old she would be better of as a man and provided her with male clothes,underwear,perfumes and testosterone gel !Also she applied a "stimulating powder" on the 17 year old which made her behave more "manly"(more aggressively),also changed her body to be more like a "man's". She convinced the 17 year old she had to take hormones and pursue SRS . Her parents found out and went mad with anger.They threw away all her male clothes,perfumes etc. Her mother told her "I gave birth to a girl". They tested her blood and her testosterone levels were "1.500" (no units given). She promised her parents she would stop using the gel.

4.The victim got a job,the perpetrator invited her in her house to celebrate , the victim told the 17 year old she was in love with a boy,the perpetrator saw red.

I feel like I am taking crazy pills guys!

Personally I would buy anything but the testosterone gel and "stimulating powder" (These do not grow on trees exactly.It is very hard to believe a 23 year old student could get her hands on those). My gut feeling is that the lawyers are trying to save the 17 year old's ass by fabricating a wild story where the 23 year old systematically corrupted the 17 year old murderer,so that the murderer fairs better at the trial.

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