Indoctrination / DoublethinkMy Trans Girlfriend Doesn't Make Me Gay - Trans Ally Reaction - Pristine Propaganda

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[–]Neo_Shadow_LurkerPronouns: I/Don't/Care 14 insightful - 1 fun14 insightful - 0 fun15 insightful - 1 fun -  (6 children)

Oh I didn’t know she was a he but I’m such a great person and love her anyway

They're lying.

The men who have sex with MtFs specifically go for them with total knowledge of who they're sticking their dicks into.

They just throw this old excuse because they fear being seen as gay.

[–]yousaythosethingsFind and Replace "gatekeeping" with "having boundaries" 8 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 0 fun9 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

This is my impression as well. I don’t know how conscious the lying is or if they sip their own Kool-Aid but in both circumstances even guy is incentivized to buy into the lie and feed the other’s delusion/desire for validation, hence the prevalence of this “totes straight” propaganda.

[–]Neo_Shadow_LurkerPronouns: I/Don't/Care 12 insightful - 1 fun12 insightful - 0 fun13 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I don’t know how conscious the lying is or if they sip their own Kool-Aid but in both circumstances even guy is incentivized to buy into the lie and feed the other’s delusion/desire for validation, hence the prevalence of this “totes straight” propaganda.

Don't worry, they know they're lying.

They go for MtFs because of the dick, which explains why they don't target post ops at all.

[–]RedEyedWarriorGay | Male | 🇮🇪 Irish 🇮🇪 | Antineoliberal | Cocks are Compulsory 8 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 0 fun9 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

Also, these men often don’t want to admit to being bisexual. Understandably, bisexuality is often looked down upon, even in liberal areas.

[–]Neo_Shadow_LurkerPronouns: I/Don't/Care 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

I would say that, in part, they don't want to come out as bissexual because they aren't bissexual.

Papers which seek to study GAMP sexual arousal patterns show that they do not express any sexual atraction to men who present in a 'standard' way.

They are attracted mainly to males who present as female and secondarily to actual females, but not men who present as men.

Because of this, 'pseudo-bissexuality' better describes them.

[–]yousaythosethingsFind and Replace "gatekeeping" with "having boundaries" 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Wait a second. Either this is getting something confused or I am. While I believe Blanchard (or someone else) has theorized that GAMP (attraction to feminized males) is a fetish that sits on top of heterosexuality, I thought “pseudobisexuality” is the term he used for AGP men who have sex with men not out of attraction but to affirm their “womanhood” and to be be desired “as a woman.” Also, I would posit because they think it’s degrading to be fucked by a man. I thought this was Blanchard’s way of explaining that AGPs are heterosexual even when they claim to be bisexual.

I have heard not “pseudobisexuality” refer to attraction to feminized males and women though. However more importantly, if someone is attracted to both women and feminized men, aren’t they still actually bisexual? They’re attracted to both sexes. Generally men who are attracted to trans women are very attracted to their penises. That’s kind of the point for them. I remember that I saw some stories from them on r/bisexual asking if they were bisexual or just sharing stories about their experiences. And they would talk about like just being attracted to penises and/or wanting to perform certain sex acts with penises but they had no attraction to the rest of a man and didn’t want a relationship with a man, and said they were otherwise attracted to women.

So maybe it depends on what that “attraction” looks like and what is going through their minds? Are they getting off to degradation/humiliation such that they actually are aroused by the idea of stoking their own sexual repulsion to the male sex? Is it purely sexual? Can they feel romantic attraction to such a person? Or do they only have attraction to them as some kind of porn fantasy/sex object? Are they compartmentalizing that person’s body parts? Is this why they call us genital fetishists? It is always projection, isn’t it?

Unless the person is attracted to stoking their own sexual repulsion to men, it does seem like it’s still bisexuality, albeit a very crude version and not one that I’m aware has a female equivalent. And not people I would want representing LGB/the bisexual community (sorry Bis). I would be interested to hear more Bis opine on this.

[–]Neo_Shadow_LurkerPronouns: I/Don't/Care 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Either this is getting something confused or I am. While I believe Blanchard (or someone else) has theorized that GAMP (attraction to feminized males) is a fetish that sits on top of heterosexuality, I thought “pseudobisexuality” is the term he used for AGP men who have sex with men not out of attraction but to affirm their “womanhood” and to be be desired “as a woman.”

Yep, you're right on this one.

I just used the term because I personally think it better describes GAMP sexuality. Their attraction to the same sex manifests itself only on a specific context after all.

Generally men who are attracted to trans women are very attracted to their penises. That’s kind of the point for them. I remember that I saw some stories from them on r/bisexual asking if they were bisexual or just sharing stories about their experiences. And they would talk about like just being attracted to penises and/or wanting to perform certain sex acts with penises but they had no attraction to the rest of a man and didn’t want a relationship with a man, and said they were otherwise attracted to women.

And that's why I don't like to call them bissexual at all.

They do not express full attraction to men, but to a fetishistic image of 'women with penises', and by women, I mean actual women (or as close to) here.

This puts them on a strange place, as they cannot be simply defined as straight because of their fixation with dicks, but also cannot be defined as bissexual either, because as you put it, they aren't attracted to men who present as male.

So maybe it depends on what that “attraction” looks like and what is going through their minds? Are they getting off to degradation/humiliation such that they actually are aroused by the idea of stoking their own sexual repulsion to the male sex?

Well, the best way to describe it is as a fetish.

What they crave for do not exist in actual reality, because as we all know it, women do not have dicks.

Futanari express their fixation accurately: they want women, fully adult women, but with penises. MtF are the closest they'll get to this.

GAMP is similar to other unrealistic fetishes if we look using this perspective.

Can they feel romantic attraction to such a person? Or do they only have attraction to them as some kind of porn fantasy/sex object? Are they compartmentalizing that person’s body parts?

No, most of the time GAMPs simply view MtFs with a fetishistic eye, or in other words, 'pump and dump'.

The ones who actually marry them are bissexual men, most of the time at least.