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[–][deleted] 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (4 children)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Julie_Bindel#Lesbianism,_marriage

"Bindel refers to herself as a political lesbian feminist."

Not a lesbian who is political or a feminist. A political lesbian. A qualifier on lesbian.

I read this by Bindel and I get the sense that her desires are strictly heterosexual:

https://web.archive.org/web/20090204041631/http://www.guardian.co.uk/lifeandstyle/2009/jan/30/women-gayrights

[–]reluctant_commenter 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

From the second link (article):

The publication of LYE was the one of the first times that the notion of sexuality as a choice had been publicly raised in the UK women's movement.

Fantastic. Some radical feminists helped popularize this particular piece of pseudoscience.

Yeah, I see what you mean when Julie Bindel says this:

Others, such as myself, found that the arguments in LYE spoke directly to feelings that had already been developing. Opponents of political lesbianism argue that "genuine" lesbians are motivated purely by lust towards women, rather than a decision to reject men and heterosexuality. For me, however, my lesbianism is intrinsically bound up with my feminist politics and my campaigning against sexual violence.

And, her "instrinsic sense" personal feelings are given more weight than any empirical evidence:

To me, political lesbianism continues to make intrinsic sense because it reinforces the idea that sexuality is a choice, and we are not destined to a particular fate because of our chromosomes.

And she ends with this entreaty:

Stop pretending you think lesbianism is an exclusive members' club, and join the ranks. I promise that you will not regret it.

What a fucking homophobic thing to say. Can we play a game of "TRA or radfem"? That literally reads like it's from the sidebar of r/actualtransbians.

Sorry to go off about this on your comment lol, I'm just amazed by this person's audacity to make up bullshit for her own personal ends. I didn't think she was that bad initially, but the more I read her writing, the more I'm disappointed.

[–]PatsyStoneMaverique 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

She studiously avoids mentioning sexual attraction so much it's impossible to tell who she wants.

The sexual history she gives sounds lesbian to me, I'm not sure what the benefit of redefining the identity of a woman who's been an out lesbian for more than 40 years is supposed to be.

This seems to boil down to a political disagreement between lesbians of different social classes over self-definition.

To me she's a lesbian in word and deed, you can't evaluate thought without engaging in some pretty fucked up behavior.

[–][deleted] 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

I’m with you, it is shitty behavior. Sometimes you’ve got to go wrestle in the muck and it ain’t that nice. I’m however not going to sit here on my hands and never challenge somebody’s identity. Or what that identity should be a membership of. That’s exactly how you end up where we are today with the T.

[–]PatsyStoneMaverique 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I mean that's good and all, I think she qualifies as a lesbian and the issue is related to class differences between lesbian.

Ops standard of lesbianism makes most homosexual women who lived before the 90s actually bisexual.