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[–]JulienMayfair[S] 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

This group seems similar in outlook and sensibility to the group I've been talking about. They will likely run into the same problems I've described where when you try to include people whose concept of identity is fundamentally contradictory to your own, conflict will inevitably ensue, and it's not a conflict that can really be managed because it is so fundamental. It will become a pitched battle with bad feelings on all sides, and some trans person involved in it will triangulate the conflict via social media bringing all sorts of external attacks and negative publicity on a community that was previously minding its own business -- because that's how they operate.

[–]divingrightintowork 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Ugh I'm kind of curious to see if I can stalk some social media to find trains trying to tear the group down, but I also don't want to. But yeah, it's all just so ugh... like can these TMs define what is more essential to being a homosexual than two men getting each other off with their dicks. Anything other than that is just weird fetishization and stereotypes. But even worse than that anything that has a whiff of guys getting each other off is "exclusionary" and hurtful and oiiii... ffs.