DiscussionDrag in relation to GC and Gender ideology.

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[–]exponent2 6 insightful - 3 fun6 insightful - 2 fun7 insightful - 3 fun -  (18 children)

There's nothing wrong with drag. And theyre not "gender critical" people. They're what they call "radical feminists". Theyre usually a very highly, highly self destructive group of people who sometimes get it right and often times get it very, very wrong. There's no feed back loop to go, "hmm, this part of our ideology is wrong..i wonder why!". They have massive double standards which is why transbians can run circles around them and make complete fools of them. Theyre more like "jihadis for womanhood". Their equivalent would be the comical black "supremacists" people who are so self centered, that an asteroid could be coming to wipe out all of humanity and the black idiots would go, "that asteroid is racist! RACIST! It's going to kill all black people!" and then have everyone roll their eyes at them.

Here are their defects and how it reveals the flaws in their thinking..and how theyre a constant poison to lesbians: AGP transbians to it for a fetish. Theyre perverts. They destroy womens spaces! Theyre evil!"....ok, so this is where it all goes wrong: they rant and rave about THIS being the evils of heterosexual men (it is). Then when you point out that straight women fujoshis are being perverts, dehumanizing gay people, calling them FggtS left and right, they roll their eyes with the "theyre MEN. THEY can take it. Stop being such pussies....you know, the 14/15 year old gay kids on twitter should stop being such "pussies".

So MAXIMUM sympathy for women, zero sympathy for gay males and somehow gays are supposed to accept lesbians within the midst.

  1. When you introduce girls who think theyre gay men to them, "trans men", instead of calling them perverts and psychotic homophobes, they draw stories of sympathy of who could have done this to them, how theyre victims. Now, they ABSOLUTELY know these women arent victims. They know that women can be some of the most hateful, cruel evil creatures on earth and it doesnt matter how many innocent gay kids these perverts bully and harass at their most vulnerable..we MUST think of them like victims and solve their issues.

  2. AGP men and women hear these inconsistencies and know they exist because these radical feminists know their ideology is either a joke or they refuse to fix it because theyre all misusing it. It just hyper focuses on women. Theyre trying to hijack a systemic issue to make it about them when transexuality is largely connected to homophobia. Have you heard how they love ot hijack the gay community for themselves to explain to us how homophobia is about misogyny when it absolutely has nothing to do with misogyny but when they convince people with that, that means they get to extract all that gay political energy for their needs? Some of the most homophobic people you'll meet are these radical feminists but their homophobia is never directed towards gay people but instead, their love interests. The sneering, the revulsion, the disgust to a straight man's vulnerabilities...constantly calling him a FGGT either out loud or in their minds.

One thing lesbians wont tell you is how they basically destroyed the gay community with their narcssism. They always chose "womanhood" over their homosexuality and always tried to leave gay men behind...and when that didnt work, they "lost their place" and squandered all their efforts and never really took part in building up the gay community. So they project this on to gay men...but gay men couldnt build a "manly man paradise" with the straight men since they were the ones murdering us.

So the lesbians came crawling back to their "homosexual identity" begrudgingly since the straight and bisexual women wouldnt stop laughing at them behind their backs and betraying them for "men" and ruining their perfect little lesbian utopia.

Stonewall UK and multiple gay lobby groups were exclusively run by gay men. The lesbians werent kept out..they honestly just werent successful enough to run them. It took lots of money, networking and power and the gay lobby just represented homosexual interests. The lesbians came in (by doing exactly what transbians did) and used intersectional feminism to call everyone a racist, invaded the Stonewall UK gay group and formed coalitions with a bunch of people to betray gay people.THIS is the origin story of the transexual disaster. Now that these idiots invaded stonewall, guess what happened? The black lesbians betrayed the white lesbians and kicked them out...then their intersecitonal "whoever is the biggest victim gets all the money and attention" went to the black lesbians (you know, because black gay men arent the biggest victims of homophobia)...and then our community was no longer about gay and lesbian success, prosperity and power. It was about whomever whines the most gets the most attention. And guess what? The biggest winner in that case is the biggest liar so our emperor of the gays and lesbians was a black, transexual, 2 legged, wheel chair bound straight man who "identifies" as a lesbian lol. THIS is the origin story of how these people hijacked our movement.

So dont listen to these "radical feminist" types. Again, theyre mostly a useless joke.

[–]wokuspokusWoman in a man’s world, TERF in whatever we call this madness 14 insightful - 3 fun14 insightful - 2 fun15 insightful - 3 fun -  (8 children)

You have zero understand of radical feminism. Been in radfem circles for a while now (even though I’m GC, not radfem) and never seen examples of what you’re saying. And you sound quite lesbophobic yourself..

[–]exponent2 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (7 children)

I've browsed through ovarit. I've seen the differences in how they deal with homophobia towards gay males and lesbians. And there's no such thing as "lesbophobia"..thats literally another horrificly stupid invention by lesbians that creates systemic disasters. Their flag is a joke. Their flag is garbage. Their fake funny little flag should be burned right in front of their faces. It's their narcissism that causes problems for gays and lesbians. They just come off as utter idiots who never learn from history or their mistakes. They rainbow flag is the flag of gays and lesbians...the flag of gay and lesbian rights. It is internationally recognized all over the world. EVERYWHERE. It is more recognized than some powerful countries. It is what unites us. And what do these imbeciles do? They go on and create a special, useless, worthless little flag for their lesbian vaginas. And did it help them? NOPE. What did it do? It created ANOTHER systemic disaster for them AND gays. Now everyone has a flag and demands it be recognized. Asexual flags, feet-sexual flags. And in regards to "lesbophobia"...the word homophobia is over 100 years old and has over a century of academic research behind it. It's one of the most studied complex psychological phenomenon to be documented and understood. Lesbians are homosexuals. Ok, so what do these idiots do? "we need to create ANOTHER systemic, apocalyptic disaster for gays and lesbians and undo over 100 years worth of stuggles! we no longer experience HOMOPHOBIA..we experience lesbophobia!"...and what happened to these imbeciles? They were drowned out because now EVERYTHING is a phobia. Ace-a-phobia, bi-phobia (which isnt even a thing), panphobia... and idiot-phobia (you) for even using that word as if it means something.

Lesbians have caused disaster after disaster after disaster for one VERY specific reason they think gays dont know about. They HIGHLY benefit from gays and their activism, money and work but 100% of their energy hasnt gone into homosexual rights. They never believed in homosexual rights. What they believed in was creating some sort of fantasy matriarchy where they can be the rulers of bisexual women, straight women, fat women and gay men have always noticed this. I never understood why gays and lesbians never liked each other in the past because what could possibly divide them when theyre both being murdered for being homosexuals...but apparently the lesbians were too busy planning a fantasy utopia. And they got it. They achieved their fantasy utopia...on twitter. Where theyre being eaten alive and torn into pieces, laughed at, humiliated, destroyed piece by piece and its their own doing. The bisexual women think theyre a complete and utter joke...i guess lesbians forgot the horrors of homophobia and forgot the journey one must go through to accept being homosexual or engaging in a same sex marriage..people staring, spitting on the street. Again, they keep forgetting theyre homosexuals. Not a single bisexual would be crazy enough to accept that journey of indignity to forge a better path for lesbians in the future because why would they? Thats not their issue. The lesbians used gay money and resources to channel them into rape crisis centers for heterosexual women instead of gay and lesbian children kicked out for being gay...why? That was useless and builds no good will. Theyre trying to perfect and solve the problems of heterosexuals?? If you asked some woman's charity to help with gay and lesbian issues...the bisexual and straight women would laugh and spit in your face. Again, lesbians need to experience more homophobia to get the point. The lesbians got EXACTLY what they wanted; their garbage kingdom. They sort of forgot everyone would see them as jesters and clowns instead of the kings they thought they were and yes, they'll have a hard time crawling back and finally admitting theyre homosexuals....eating crow and accepting the privileges that they got because gay people were too busy focusing on our rights rather than off playing fantasy idiot games.

They always create weak points within the homosexual community because everything is always done for them and they forgot the homophobia that exists since under the patriarchy, gay men are the biggest victims since theyre considered traitors to the patriarchy for even being born gay. But when the homophobia comes for lesbians and the homophobes, bisexuals and start snarling and biting off the flesh off their faces...they'll get little sympathy from many gay people for how they sabotaged our community. The AGP straight male transbians arent super geniuses. Theyre just using the architecture of rhetoric that lesbians set up: "Respect MAH TROOOTH! ITS MY TROOTH" Ugh. Lesbians are homosexuals first. Woman is like 9 on the list. The majority of women dont even consider lesbians women. So yeah, i look down on them. And they know and feel that energy.

[–]wokuspokusWoman in a man’s world, TERF in whatever we call this madness 7 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 0 fun8 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

I rest my case. Any issue with the community, blame the women. You’re not a lesbophobe, you’re a straight up misogynist who cannot bear women maybe for once prioritising themselves over men.

[–]exponent2 3 insightful - 3 fun3 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

"I REST MY CASE! MY CASE HAS BEEN RESTED!" lol im gay. Dont make everyone here laugh. You just got an entire encyclopedia of truth and reality thrown at your face and you dont know what to do with yourself. Invoking the "misogyny" card doesnt do anything to me or for me. It's just a tribal call of martyrdom for a group of people who are never there for lesbians to begin with. You just seem funny and very, very naive. "I REST MY CASE"..of what? Narcissism? "You cant stand women putting themselves over men"...again, WHAT? Have you even READ a history book? Or have you stuck your head out the window? Like..ever? Heterosexual males and Heterosexual females and bisexuals are best buddies. The 2000 years of attempted genocide against gays and lesbians was committed by WHO exactly? Heterosexual supremacy was enacted by WHO exactly? Lesbians are not women first. Theyre homosexuals. They were never seen or treated as women. And im a gay male. Im a homosexual first. What "man and woman" heterosexual politics are you even talking about? I assume you're some sort of bisexual/heterosexual woman who thinks you can elbow your way in to the homosexual narrative and disrupt it with your "womankind" narrative? Honestly, do you think its working for you? And i mean that...do you seriously think what you're doing is an effective form of propaganda? You're so self centered that you cant even experience reality outside your perspective, which is why the AGP people will always run circles around you but on top of that, since when have heterosexuals/bisexuals ever not been homophobic or actively worked to remove their privilege over homosexuals?

Most of our problems come from what i said. And again, how DARE you compare me to your people. If you werent so self centered, you'd appreciate the offence of comparing a gay person to the genocidal maniacs you call your husbands, fathers and boyfriends who you helped oppress us. This whole "lets pretend women dont oppress gay men tehehehehe" shtick is getting really tiring and trying to push us into the same category as the men you'll end up marrying after you finish cosplaying as a feminist? So tell me, in a patriarchy, who benefits more? Gay men or straight/bisexual women? Your answer will be very telling. Im not here to indulge your narcissism.

and on top of that, WHO DO YOU THINK BRING AGP MEN INTO LESBIAN SPACES lol. Who do you think has sex with them? Certainly not the lesbians being told to shut up and how it's not their "space" anymore.

[–]yousaythosethingsFind and Replace "gatekeeping" with "having boundaries" 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Among other things I could point out, and no, I’m not a radfem, but you seem utterly blind to the concept of political lesbians. They are not homosexual. They are not us.

They never talk about homosexuality, only womanhood and misogyny. They are straight and bisexual women who appropriate the lesbian label for misandrist political reasons. Stop confusing political lesbians with actual homosexual females. Actual lesbians really don’t spend that much time thinking and talking about men.

It has taken me a while to understand how little of “lesbian” heritage is actual lesbians. People are always speaking for us. There are barely any actual lesbians (from what I can tell) who have been any platform in the gender ideology discussion. About the only ones I can think of are Julia D. Ghassan Robertson and Ceri and Lauren Black.