Milo takes on Blaire White?

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[–]reluctant_commenter 9 insightful - 1 fun9 insightful - 0 fun10 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

edit: I've gotten some comments saying "Blaire doesn't believe that you can actually change sexes." Yes, I know that; what I am saying is, the "truscum" version of transgender ideology still requires people to pretend that someone can change sexes, and/or that you can be "a man in a woman's brain" or "a woman in a man's brain," by requiring society to use different pronouns for a person than that person's biological sex. Hope that wording helps clear up any misinterpretation.

To be on the side of M.Y., purely because of an anti-trans stance, when the whole shebang is a stunt to promote actual conversion therapy

Let's be clear about what's going on here:

  • Milo is promoting conservatives' version of gay conversion therapy-- so-called "ex-gay"

  • Blaire is promoting liberals' version of gay conversion therapy-- so-called "transitioning"

It is impossible to change one's sexual orientation. This is the lie told in Milo's conversion therapy.

It is impossible to change one's biological sex. This is the lie told in Blaire's conversion therapy.

I have sympathy for each and I believe in the rights of each to do what is best for them individually.

However, both Milo and Blaire are promoting conversion therapy, and for me personally, I have dealt with homophobia from both conservatives and liberals, shaming me about what I am. Both forms of conversion therapy sicken me and both have the end result of erasing homosexuality/bisexuality.

[–]markiemarcus 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

That's not clear at all IMO. It avoids the elephant in the room; suffering from dysphoria, a very real phenomenon. I've never heard Blaire say that one can change their sex either.

My concerns are primarily around self ID, informed consent and, like you, over diagnosis from external pressure (read conversion therapy). Though I think trans identified gay & lesbian is something else entirely and best viewed with skepticism; these people are demonstrably heterosexual.

Assuming informed consent can be given and a persistent, robust diagnosis of dysphoria exists, the path forward is really not my concern and I wish them good luck.

It's just not a decision a kid can make, at all, especially when the dysphoria so frequently subsides following puberty. The numbers are crazy high; typically north of 50% in every study I've read.

[–]reluctant_commenter 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

That's not clear at all IMO. It avoids the elephant in the room; suffering from dysphoria, a very real phenomenon.

I didn't mention gender dysphoria in my post but it is true that gender dysphoria exists and is a real issue-- and that the very idea of "transitioning sexes" (something that is not possible) was born out of homophobia and is used to chemically castrate LGB people.

While we're talking gender dysphoria-- we want to find solutions that actually help people, right? Because there isn't conclusive evidence that "transitioning" helps. Especially among the ROGD transgender children, but even among adults!

I believe that an adult who is capable of consenting ought to have the right to undergo the route of "transitioning" if they so desire, the same as I believe anyone has the right to pursue any other type of alternative medication even though it does not have scientific backing.

and, like you, over diagnosis from external pressure (read conversion therapy).

Gotcha. But, I think it is conversion therapy if someone is forced into it (e.g. by a parent or peers) AND if someone chooses to undergo it... it is still conversion therapy either way. Even though a consenting adult has the right to undergo it (e.g. I don't like that some gay people seek out religious conversion therapy or transgender conversion therapy, and it won't work, but I recognize their right to do it).

Though I think trans identified gay & lesbian is something else entirely and best viewed with skepticism; these people are demonstrably heterosexual.

Agreed.

It's just not a decision a kid can make, at all, especially when the dysphoria so frequently subsides following puberty.

Agreed.

[–]markiemarcus 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Oh I totally agree on the evidence (or lack thereof) with regards to quality of life post transition. That's troubling. On aggregate it seems to be a wash. There are a few ways of reading that; that it doesn't really help anybody, or that it really helps as many as it really harms. All the more reason for insisting upon informed consent...which makes one a heretic these days.

[–]reluctant_commenter 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Gotcha, makes sense. Yeah, I sure feel like a heretic some days, lol. The lack of transparency regarding the transgender movement is astounding.

[–]markiemarcus 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Oh it's crazy isn't it? Especially with regards to the medical side. I can't think of any other circumstances where it would be deemed "progressive" to be so extremely reckless and spit on informed consent. They've been handing out puberty blockers like candy under the guise of them being a totally safe and reversible "pause button". That's just a lie; we know exactly what Lupron does.