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[–]loveSloaneSuperDuperBi 28 insightful - 1 fun28 insightful - 0 fun29 insightful - 1 fun -  (7 children)

It’s not expected within the back community, other than some places online. I don’t know any black people who aren’t trans themselves who buy into this bullshit irl, in fact all of the older TW i know hate the direction tras are going in and have no problem acknowledging that they aren’t actually women. I know a few younger black trans people, and one “non binary” woman who is the victim of extreme sexual abuse and turned to the non binary ideology out of trauma, and they all complain that their family, friends who aren’t a part of the community, and people they date don’t see them as they wish to be seen.

As others have said, go to lipstickAlley or try the guilt tripping irl and they’d get roasted before they could finish a sentence.

It’s actually infuriating to me when people imply that because I’m black and black people have the history of oppression that we have that I’m somehow obligated to play pretend for trans people.

It may be more likely among teens and very young adults, but even then I don’t think it’s common, just more common than with older generations, if that makes sense.

[–]loveSloaneSuperDuperBi 20 insightful - 2 fun20 insightful - 1 fun21 insightful - 2 fun -  (3 children)

Another thought- I remember when trans people tried to take over the BLM movement and make it about them. It didn’t go well at all.

[–]WildApples 7 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 0 fun8 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

The Black Lives Matter foundation is heavily TRA, which I imagine many supporters do not know. The organizers stated it on the manifesto that was posted on their website as recently as last year, but it seems they have now rolled the manifesto into a separate site/organization (https://m4bl.org/policy-platforms/end-the-war-trans/). They want gender affirmation starting from birth!

[–]loveSloaneSuperDuperBi 11 insightful - 1 fun11 insightful - 0 fun12 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

How do you even affirm gender from birth?

Isn’t that kind of what they’re upset about? Being “assigned a gender” at birth?

[–]WildApples 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

I don't think logical consistency was ever gender ideology's guiding virtue...

[–]reluctant_commenter 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

It's actually infuriating to me when people imply that because I’m black and black people have the history of oppression that we have that I’m somehow obligated to play pretend for trans people.

People have told you that?? That sounds fucking infuriating. Was that people online or IRL?

edit: Also where I went to college, this was very much the messaging I heard, the "black trans lives matter" above all. I am not black and I have very little sense of black communities' opinions on the transgender movement; my college was very heavily TRA-dominated so I'm not sure how representative it was.

[–]loveSloaneSuperDuperBi 10 insightful - 1 fun10 insightful - 0 fun11 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

I’ve only had one black person say that to me, and it was online and she calls herself non-binary. I have had a few white people say it irl, but honestly, unless they are tq+ themselves, I don’t know any black people irl who speak like tras. I’m so glad I was born a generation before this stuff lol. I can’t imagine going to a college full of tras.

[–]reluctant_commenter 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Ah gotcha, yeah that must be nice having more age peers who do not buy into transgender ideology. That is pretty awesome that relatively fewer non-TQ black people are pro-TRA. Unfortunately I know many white people IRL who are pro-trans and speak about it regularly, even though they are not TQ (although I kinda wonder how many are just doing it in a performative or virtue-signalling way, lol).

And yeah going to a college full of TRAs kinda sucked, haha. But I will say not everyone is brainwashed, a lot of people don't speak up about their concerns because they would get massively bullied online. I've seen it happen to a few of my former classmates, no joke.