LifestyleThoughts on Drag Queens & Drag Kings?

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[–]RedEyedWarriorGay | Male | 🇮🇪 Irish 🇮🇪 | Antineoliberal | Cocks are Compulsory 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

You’re right. Now that I’ve read your comment, I realise why I don’t like drag culture. I get incredibly offended when people treat gay men as if we're women. Thankfully, I’ve never been treated as if I’m a woman, but I will be sure to let anyone who treats me like that know that I don’t appreciate it at all. And your explanation for why homosexuals used to cross dress makes a lot of sense. Survival, not fetish. I’m glad I live in a country where homosexuality is accepted by most of society so that I will never have to wear a dress. In fact, your reply has also explained why I get irate whenever gay men refer to each other using female pronouns.

Thank you for your response. It was helpful.

[–]PenseePansyBio-Sex or Bust 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

You're so welcome, Warrior :) I'm glad to have helped.

Yeah, I'd always been uneasy with drag culture, but couldn't really articulate why; in fact, it was becoming trans-critical that finally clarified things for me. That what bugged me was how it trades on gender roles, and the creepy implications of that for both women and homosexuals (gay men in particular).

The thing is, I wanted to like drag, in a way... both as a Good Little Liberal, and as someone with an abiding interest in makeup, fashion, and glamour. But that underlying misogyny/homophobia turned me off. So I've been thinking... would it be possible to have something like drag, but without that creepy element? Where it's totally decoupled from "looking like a woman" (or rather a caricature thereof), or being gay? And is, instead, simply about ANYONE-- of either sex and any sexual orientation-- who enjoys creating a glamorous look for themselves? Expressing their creativity with clothes and makeup and hairstyles and stuff? And men could do it without any sense that they couldn't look like men, or really weren't men? Or that homosexuality had anything to do with it?

I mean, I know that you probably wouldn't care for it even so-- just sounds like this isn't your kind of thing-- but am I right in thinking that such a phenomenon wouldn't repulse you, the way drag does? Since it'd be missing the whole "gay men = women" aspect? Cuz there would be no connection to homosexuality, or gay culture? So YOU aren't implicated, as a gay man; like anyone else, you could take it or leave it. Which is as it should be.

[–]RedEyedWarriorGay | Male | 🇮🇪 Irish 🇮🇪 | Antineoliberal | Cocks are Compulsory 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I wanted to like drag as well. Just to be open minded. But I couldn’t. I find it creepy, homophobic and degrading. And yeah, some don’t behave the way drag queens act. My mother and my sister don’t act like that. None of my aunts or female cousins act like that. So I can see why a lot of women would find drag queens offensive.

Now a man dressing up as a woman for comedic purposes like with Monty Python, I’m fine with that. It can be entertaining. But the actors dress up as ordinary women. And there’s nothing sexual or degrading. It’s just lighthearted comedy.

I’m not into makeup or fashion. But it’s cool if other people are. If people want to do beauty pageants were they dress as the opposite sex but there’s nothing sexual, freaky or obnoxious about it then I don’t mind it.