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[–]mvmlego 7 insightful - 2 fun7 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 2 fun -  (4 children)

That's a rather rosy notion of socialism, which necessarily involves abusing the most productive members of society for the (short-term) personal gain of others--just ask the Kulaks.

[–]VioletRemiCat, homosexual one 7 insightful - 3 fun7 insightful - 2 fun8 insightful - 3 fun -  (3 children)

Well, it is how people who are promoting communism or socialism are acting, but not how it is supposed to be by ideology itself. Instead of being "capitalism for all" they are becoming "capitalism for us, and rest are like slaves working for us".

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/State_capitalism

[–]mvmlego 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

If Marxism is a descriptive theory rather than an ideal (i.e. if Marxism is based on physical reality and ignores identity or "feels"), then we should be concerned with the results that attempts to implement it actually produce--which in each and every case, has been a horror that costs millions of lives, and often tens of millions.

EDIT: It's also worth emphasizing that, according to the article you linked to, Lenin regarded state capitalism as the second-to-last step in a society's transformation into the Marxist-Lenenist utopia. This is important, because even if it's not "true socialism", it's not a complete aberration of socialist ideals, either; it's a necessary step in the process of socialist revolutions. Consequently, it still lays the tens of millions of deaths of Russians, Chinese, Cambodians, and Venezuelans at the feet of socialism.

[–]VioletRemiCat, homosexual one 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

I am pretty sure no ideology makes complete sense or any sense at all.

[–]SnowAssMan[S] 8 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 0 fun9 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

'Ideology' according to marxism describes the opposite of marxism: false consciousness, cultural hegemony.