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[–]8bitgay[S] 44 insightful - 1 fun44 insightful - 0 fun45 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

Somehow I forgot to include this part.

It's amazingly bad. To them a transman is definitely a real man, but a feminine man is pretending to be someone else. And if you wear make up you're a drag queen apparently.

They try so hard to be inclusive to transpeople but it always involves being super restrictive about gender norms. Being compared to a feminine men is bad because to them men need to be masculine.

[–]PenseePansyBio-Sex or Bust 28 insightful - 1 fun28 insightful - 0 fun29 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

They try so hard to be inclusive to transpeople but it always involves being super restrictive about gender norms.

This all day! Precisely what's always bothered me.

And it seems inevitable, really. For "trans" to work, sex roles MUST be rigidly-enforced; otherwise, how can a man "become" a woman, or vice-versa? They need dress/makeup/long hair/pink = woman, and suit/no makeup/short hair/blue = man. Without it, there's no definition of man or woman aside from biology... and, unlike what you wear or how you behave, that can't be changed.

Which means not only that "trans" people must adhere to sex-roles, but, even more crucially, that the REST of us must. Because we're the way that they define their "transgenderism"-- what they're ostensibly "transitioning" to, and from. If we don't play our (gender) role, "trans" becomes meaningless... or, rather, is revealed as having been meaningless all along.

Basically, "trans" identity is dependent on EVERYONE at least pretending to believe in gender roles (i.e., sex-based stereotypes). Which certainly constitutes a problem for them, but shouldn't for us, since while they need us... we don't need them.

[–]bopomofodojo 18 insightful - 1 fun18 insightful - 0 fun19 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

This is exactly it, and why the entire notion of "trans", at least this strange modern biology-denying form, is inherently sexist. When "trans" just meant "gay man who liked to dress in drag and present as a woman" without denying they were a man, or "butch lesbian dressing as manly as possible" without denying they were a woman, it was not sexist. But this insistence that Gender Roles = Gender = Sex, and that if you deviate even slightly from these you must be "trans" or "non-binary", is inherently harmful and sexist. How did progressivism fall so far so fast?

[–]JulienMayfair 7 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 0 fun8 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

There's really no gender identity without gender stereotypes.