Homophobic (Conversion Therapy) Origin of the Sex-Change Operation

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    [–]MezozoicGayoldschool gay 8 insightful - 2 fun8 insightful - 1 fun9 insightful - 2 fun -  (4 children)

    ESPECIALLY given the number of bisexual and homosexual transgender individuals?

    If you mean actually homosexual - than it is the point, conversing gay man into straight woman. They are staying straight in eyes of the society, while being homosexual.

    If you mean heterosexual but presenting themselves as homosexual - then there no big deal, society still see them as straight, because it is regular penis in vagina sex, which is the norm and not some deviation of gay sex or lesbian sex. And it was already used before (on me in USSR, for example) in homophobic countries - tries to "fix" or "cure" homosexuality by forcing gay men dating masculine women, who are presenting as men, and for lesbian women to date feminine men with "feminine" penises. So it is classic homophobic cases, and society see nothing wrong in such.

    [–]Grandma 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

    than it is the point, conversing gay man into straight woman

    Would you say society is more accepting of trans women than gay men?

    [–]MezozoicGayoldschool gay 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

    In most cases - yes. In some cases it is even advised to "convert" gay men into transwomen.

    [–]Grandma 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

    Do you have any evidence that claim is true?

    [–]MezozoicGayoldschool gay 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    Out of 75 countries with anti-homosexual laws, only 15 have anti-transgender laws, and around 20 are allowing sex change in legal documents, two are even promoting gender-change with surgeries for homosexual people, one is forcing and paying for transitioning homosexual people (and alternative is death).

    Many previously homophobic countries (USSR as example I lived through) were practicing conversion therapies and two methods they were coming in the end were transition with surgeries homosexual people, or force them date and marry opposite sex people who are very feminine or masculine (or prison, or death).

    [–]motss-pb[S] 7 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 0 fun8 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

    I'd argue that our current understanding of transgender/transsexual identities has not really progressed much since Harry Benjamin wrote about it in the 60s. At least back then sexologists realized that homosexual trans and heterosexual trans represented two distinct groups - with homosexual trans people usually experiencing gender dysphoria in early adolescence and heterosexual trans people usually later in adulthood. There were even further subclassifications of trans identities in the literature (primary transsexualism, secondary transsexualism, transvestism, etc). All of this has been greatly simplified by the current narrative which is that gender dysphoria arises as a result of a mismatch between gender identity and birth sex; self-id is to be taken as truth; and the treatment is social transition and puberty blockers followed by hormone therapy.

    Recalling the homophobic and eugenics-motivated origins of SRS does not simplify this narrative. It does the opposite. The current discussion surrounding gender transition (especially in children) makes no connection to the historic abuse of LGB at the hands of psychiatrists during the homophobic WW2 and Cold-War eras, in which gays and lesbians were subjected to surgical castration, chemical castration, lobotomies, sterilization, electroshock therapy, and other conversion therapies. But there is a connection.

    Why should we be concerned?

    "Gender dysphoria in children is more heavily linked to adult homosexuality than to an adult transgender identity, especially with regard to boys" ( from wikipedia article on Gender Dysphoria in Children)

    By treating gender dysphoric children with puberty blockers, we start them on a path to hormone therapy and surgeries resulting in the state-sanctioned, sexologist-approved sterilization and castration of gay people. Sound familiar?