Discussion"GRSM" vs. "LGBTQ+"-- is one worse than the other?

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[–]8bitgay 14 insightful - 1 fun14 insightful - 0 fun15 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

I agree that the term "LGBTQ+" does explicitly include us. However, in practice, the voices of many homosexual/bisexual people are being excluded, so the suggestion that we are included in "LGBTQ+" is kind of a lie, that trans activists hide behind.

In practice, sure. But at if I'm called LGBT I'm somewhat ok with it, since in theory sure, I'm the G of LGBT. If I'm called LGBTQ+ then it becomes more offensive to me. But being called "queer" is where it crosses the line, since there isn't even an attempt to call me something that even vaguely includes my sexuality.

It's funny because as much as they say that all labels are valid and that you can't label someone else for them, they also love misnaming us, and calling us something we are not.

Some situations make things worse too. If lesbian women get attacked, if gay men get attacked, they're lesbian, they're gay. We should make this clear. In these situations, calling them "LGBT people" or "victims of LGBTphobia" (which doesn't exist) is incredibly offensive - and calling them "LGBTQ+" only adds insult to injury.

[–]yousaythosethingsFind and Replace "gatekeeping" with "having boundaries" 13 insightful - 1 fun13 insightful - 0 fun14 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Some situations make things worse too. If lesbian women get attacked, if gay men get attacked, they're lesbian, they're gay. We should make this clear. In these situations, calling them "LGBT people" or "victims of LGBTphobia" (which doesn't exist) is incredibly offensive - and calling them "LGBTQ+" only adds insult to injury.

I've seen increased use of the word "queerphobia," but no one who uses it will define it for me. What does it mean to be phobic of "Queer" people or "LGBTQ+" people? And why would that not include GNC hetero people? Discussing things in this way prevents us from discussing the real underlying issues.

[–]reluctant_commenter[S] 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I've seen increased use of the word "queerphobia," but no one who uses it will define it for me. What does it mean to be phobic of "Queer" people or "LGBTQ+" people?

YYYYUP. I have seen that a lot as well, although "bucket" use of "homophobia" seems to be more widespread off the internet, in my experience.