Homophobia, old school vs new. How has this happened?

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[–]slushpilot 19 insightful - 1 fun19 insightful - 0 fun20 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Yeah, you're not crazy. 10-15-20 years ago seems to be about the right timeline. 5 years ago this new thing really took off.

most people, even if privately homophobic know what not to say

Learning what not to say is just basic politeness, but look who's ignoring & flaunting it now. Social justice has become public shaming.

How have we arrived where we are?

Unchecked "pride", perhaps. Amplified by the internet. It's transforming into something like racial pride now as things turn tribal. Not cool.

So I think to some degree we need to put the closet doors back on. Now hear me out—that doesn't mean hiding in shame. Everyone should be free to open up where and when they choose, but sometimes you need to just shove all your mental clutter and personal baggage in there and shut the door!

Honestly, why should anyone care who you live with or what you do in the bedroom in any public/professional setting. I do think we need spaces free from thinking about sex. I mean, rainbow flags at work & school seem benign, but what is it even saying or signaling anymore? So many things are now getting "queer" and "proud" where sex & sexuality don't even remotely belong!

Honestly I think most people don't care anymore, especially since the war is largely won and equal rights now exist in most places, and I'm afraid it's going to turn cynical. There might be a bit of backlash once the normal people back away and the only people left waving the various striped flags are the nutjobs.

[–]8bitgay 13 insightful - 1 fun13 insightful - 0 fun14 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

The change has been pretty dramatic in a short period of time

Emphasis on short. I know a TV channel in my country that is now known for being #woke but 10 years ago they were airing wildly homophobic content. And it was influential too, I still hear people using the homophobic catchphrases that their characters used to say. Even nowadays they still air this type of content at reruns and such.

But even this type of advance happened on thin ice. Even though a considerable part of society and media creators is being more careful regarding homophobia (and being more careful is far from meaning they never display homophobia), another large part of society is still openly homophobic and couldn't care less. And even among those who avoid being homophobic, most don't care enough to denounce the homophobia they see.

How have we arrived where we are?

Apart from the TQ+ side of woke homophobia, I think the issue is that self derogratory humor got too popular. Shows like RuPaul's Drag Race that are based on gay men mocking other gay men got too popular. Nowadays when I see gay men online, I keep seeing men that are lost in their memes, posting a nonstopping stream of homophobic content and deluding themselves by saying it's all just ironic. I see gay men that have been told that it's sacrilegious to joke about any other group, but no one ever told them to find it offensive when people make wildly homophobic jokes. I see white gay men that live on white guilt, so they can only agree when people make offensive homophobic remarks against white cis gay men. I see gay men that have bought the oppression olympics narrative, so they're unable to say anything when anyone "more oppressed" is homophobic - and they've been led to believe that anyone is more oppressed than gay men.

[–]oofreesouloo⚡super lesbian⚡ 11 insightful - 1 fun11 insightful - 0 fun12 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

For me, the worst was adding the Q+ to the acronym. I don't think the ones who perpetuate this woke homophobia are LGB. Some are, but out of naiveness, or not aware of what's really happening. The plague is the TQ+. Why does this woke homophobia come from? From trans people. Only. They're the problem. Why? Because we refuse to date them. And they claim not dating them = transphobia. And this "trans gay" people are not gay. They're straight people. This queer people? Straight people as well. And all the + people, asexual people and cringy straight people you can think of.I think it has much less to do with LGB than what you seem to imply.

[–]reluctant_commenter 8 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 0 fun9 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

And for my sanity - can someone confirm that this was just not an issue 10-15-20 years ago, I remember the point being to allow people to be homosexual!

Hah, I wouldn't know, I wasn't very old then. To me, what you are describing now is what's "normal"!

This really fascinates me. I know the polls have been saying that people are more hostile towards LGB than they used to be, but qualitatively, is this really true in people's experience?

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Wokeness as a whole caused this. It didn't happen overnight. This is just the woke agenda affecting homosexual spaces but there are many forms of it affecting every other group of peoples. I see a lot of "woke" ideas stated in this sub as if that wokeness doesn't have anything to do with the wokeness affecting LGB groups. It does.