Rant#LGBTQIAPride trending on Twitter as "Coming out day"

submitted by OPPRESSED_REPTILIANIntersex male | GNC | Don't call me "a gay", "twink" or "queen" from self.LGBDropTheT

There are several bones to pick with this.

  1. "Coming out day" when we've just had a few more "LGBT days" this week *AND LETS NOT FORGET THE ENTIRETY OF 'PRIDE MONTH'. When is it going to be enough? I have a feeling these idiots won't stop until the whole year is claimed... and then they'll try to add more days to a year.

  2. The "I" in LGBTQIA+. Piss off. Intersex people want nothing to do with this, "Pride" doesn't help us, and there have been numerous cases of "LGBT rights" harming intersex people. This is just beyond insulting, it doesn't matter how many times intersex people tell them to stop doing it, they keep throwing us in anyway solely because we're "weird" and make them look more "inclusive."

  3. Once again, these movements are just a major "fuck you" to anyone who dislikes or is even neutral towards their gay/bi status. If you aren't a narcissistic moron flooding the twitter tag with selfies of you doing that stupid duck face pout with captions about how "queer" you are, fuck you, you're not important, you don't deserve attention, you're not "LGBTQIA+ enough" apparently.

  4. Who wants to bet this "coming out day" and related days only exist to sell merchandise and make a profit? I hate to break it to all the self proclaimed "anti capitalist trans womyn" out there but your shitty Pride flags are mass produced in factories and are an accessory of capitalism. I strongly believe that if "Pride" did not exist, the flags and rainbows and marketable slogans did not exist, nobody would give two shits about a gay, bi, or trans movement on this scale. It's literally only popular because it's profitable.

What are your thoughts? (If you are capable of thoughts at this point, and aren't just so done with existence that thinking is too much effort, because I am sure feeling that way)

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[–]yousaythosethingsFind and Replace "gatekeeping" with "having boundaries" 16 insightful - 1 fun16 insightful - 0 fun17 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

The self-proclaimed commies obsessing over corporate LGBT and buying up all the rainbow and rando flag merchandise they can find never ceases to make me laugh.

Also would be curiously to hear the timeline and specific players involved in bringing Intersex into the Rainbow mafia. I literally never hear intersex people self identify with the Alphabet Soup and i never hear these LGBTTTQQQ orgs ever spreading awareness of Intersex issues outside of trying to disprove the sex binary explicitly with regard to trans.

Also for a crew that is obsessed with micro labeling, I never hear any breakdowns of the conditions that are considered intersex, and I suspect that is because TQ wants to make everyone think that all Intersex people are not discernibly male or female.

[–]OPPRESSED_REPTILIANIntersex male | GNC | Don't call me "a gay", "twink" or "queen"[S] 11 insightful - 1 fun11 insightful - 0 fun12 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

I also love how they claim to be USSR-type communists and tend to be Russiaboos, but they have absolutely zero interest in me explaining them to how communism was bad for Russia and that the aftermath is still felt negatively. Oh and they hate Russians,at least real ones. They like movie stereotypes and shitty memes but real ones are apparently the devil and pro-Trump nazis.

It confuses me too. I think I've seen "LGBTQI" as far back as 2015. But I'm not sure when it began. I think most likely some TRAs found Intersex on google, thought "omg sexy hermaphrodites/futas its just like my hentai!" and slapped it in.

The funny thing is that intersex conditions actually reinforce the sex binary, because most intersex people are still male and female (even if they have an extra chromosome, or their chromosomes are flipped with how they turned out physically) but those few who are closer to "in between" suffer a LOT and you can clearly see it's not a "Healthy sex variation", it's what happens when things go wrong

And yes, that is exactly their goal. They will split lesbianism into 40000 types including with aesthetics (WHat the fuck is a "cottage lesbian") but they don't want to hear about specific intersex conditions because we're just some vague, nondescript "sex spectrum" to them

[–]MezozoicGayoldschool gay 10 insightful - 1 fun10 insightful - 0 fun11 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

I've met few similar groups of "communists" in USA. And I am from Ukraine, my relatives died to artificial hunger inducted over Khazakhstan, Belarus, Ukraine and few Russian regions. When I am saying to them that this kind of rullership suck, they are calling me capitalistic pig, lol. They are dreaming about "sweet soviet communism where everyone was equal and happy". Yeah, equal in being rightless, or equal in poverty?

This meme says perfectly about them: https://i.imgur.com/aFwFt5X.png

[–]BiHorror 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

yikes. I know of these recent YouTuber who used to post dark souls memes and then decided she wanted to post a damn pic of herself with a sickle and vibrator... She "came out" as a lesbian and commie. Then she wanted to ignore all the people calling her out and the shit communism had done. 😬

[–]MezozoicGayoldschool gay 11 insightful - 9 fun11 insightful - 8 fun12 insightful - 9 fun -  (1 child)

Sickle represents communism and vibrator represents lesbians? I am not lesbian, but for some reason I am offended.

[–]BiHorror 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Yeah... Funny thing is she got offended to the point where she thought posting multiple TQ memes was gonna own her "homophobic" and "transphobic" fans.

[–][deleted] 14 insightful - 1 fun14 insightful - 0 fun15 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

You're right. Pride is just exists to get you to buy and sell shit, especially modern Pride. I saw an oreo ad geared towards lesbians and was like...what does this have to do with my sexuality?

[–]Shadow_Lurker 12 insightful - 1 fun12 insightful - 0 fun13 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

What flabbergasts me is how corporations use all of this virtue signaling to hide their shitty business practices and how poorly they treat their own employees, something that the self-identified "commies" never seem to care.

[–]OPPRESSED_REPTILIANIntersex male | GNC | Don't call me "a gay", "twink" or "queen"[S] 13 insightful - 1 fun13 insightful - 0 fun14 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Exactly. "Oh this game company said trans rights! This food place put a rainbow pic! Aren't they progressive?" But chances are their workers are still being overworked and paid like shit, and I'm sure they don't feel like they're working for such a "progressive and warm hearted company"

[–]artetolife 10 insightful - 1 fun10 insightful - 0 fun11 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Showing "support" for LGBTQWHATEVER+ is the easiest thing for a business to do. Reddit kids have taken to weeping tears of validation when they see "LGBTQ Friendly" on google maps listings and I'm like bitch, please. They literally just checked a box to say you wont be ejected from the premises if they think you're gay.

[–]OPPRESSED_REPTILIANIntersex male | GNC | Don't call me "a gay", "twink" or "queen"[S] 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

I feel like it's counterproductive, like I'd look for business that don't have that virtual signaling, just so I don't have it shoved in my face or treated with a condescending attitude just because I "look LGBT". (gender non conforming. Not even related but you know how dumb people are.)

[–]artetolife 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

That's... not something that happens. Even in places that claim to be woke you're just as likely to get awkward looks from the teenage staff if you hold hands with your boyfriend or whatever. I've certainly never felt pandered to.

[–]MezozoicGayoldschool gay 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I will just answer with this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yNY8849DogY

It is all just merchandize sell and easy way to lower taxes. It has nothing to do with LGB people at all.

[–]emptiedriver 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

it starts to feel narcissistic and self-important as well, to me, especially when you are already largely in a community that is already totally "woke", and even a wider society that is pretty comfortable with homosexuality. Obviously there are different parts of the country and different personal experiences, but when young people in big cities surrounded by groups of liberal friends who constantly celebrate queerness "come out" as if it is difficult, the whole thing seems to cheapen the historical reality of gay rights activists who actually struggled...

[–]Constantine 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Ugh, someone came out to me and our mutual friends as “queer” on that day. It was a really terrible diatribe that really hit on every single thing that is wrong with the TQWTF tribe. Oh and this person has never been in a non-straight relationship. Because of course.

[–]PenseePansyBio-Sex or Bust 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Since thoughts seem to be about all I'm capable of...:

  • 1.] Guess I make a distinction between "coming out" as a political act vs as a mere image (day/month/whatever: dumbed-down to the level of pop-cultural ephemera/PR ploy). The first seems legitimate enough; maybe because I'm older than you, Salty, and remember (some of) its 1970s-1990s incarnations-- when showing how many LGB people there actually were did so much to advance our civil rights-- plus, being bi, I'm well aware that closetedness as a norm is questionable at best. So to the extent that any form of coming-out can serve this purpose? Cool. But that's the problem here: this FORM. The insubstantial, designated-time-period-only nature of it. Not part of any real strategy to improve rank-and-file LGB people's lives; totally noncommittal-- a hashtag and nothing more. But how could it be otherwise, when treated like a holiday or something? Do you think that Martin Luther King Jr. would have gotten anywhere limiting his actions to Civil Disobedience Day? Or Integration Month? So I actually think the whole year DOES need to be claimed (sorry Salty!), in the sense that this work is ongoing-- not just a special-occasion thing. But then it had better be actual WORK. Which means planning, follow-through, and a willingness to take risks. Whether any of that could possibly be compatible with this sort of trending-on-Twitter approach, I don't know.
  • 2.] Yeah, definitely quit dragging intersex people into this rancid alphabet-soup. Just reinforces the false equivalence "anything related to sex that's deemed non-standard = GAY!" Maybe switching to the term "DSD" might help? As clarification that this is a MEDICAL issue, not some weird woo-woo thing where you're a "third sex" or whatever? Along with reminding everyone that, like most people, those with such conditions are typically heterosexual?
  • 3.] This is another reason why coming out needs to be placed in a civil-rights context: as something that's about serving people... not something that people serve. And that most definitely includes those of us LGBs who don't want to make our sexuality public, or do so in a particular conformist social-media, duckface-and-"PRIDE!!!"-style. Coming out should be a matter not of an obligation to do so, but the FREEDOM to do so. To be who you are. Even if that's an LGB person who feels neutral/conflicted/shitty about it. Maybe we need to publicize the option of coming out not as a boast, or PR stunt, or celebration, but more along Martin Luther-esque lines: "Here I stand, I can do no other."
  • 4.] The whole let's-make-a-buck-off-it aspect is indeed a problem; however, that's not just about LGB. The same can be said for other liberal/progressive causes, too (notably feminism). Probably inevitable to some extent; when once-radical ideas go mainstream, they become a marketing opportunity-- the 1970s was characterized by selling the 1960s (in sanitized-for-your-protection form), after all--cuz corporations gonna corporate. It's the downside of a movement's success under capitalism. So no surprises there. What bothers me more is how this gift-shop version seems increasingly to define LGB, with the actual movement itself-- and the complexity, as well as moral/ethical heft, thereof-- a mere add-on, rather than the other way around. THAT sure can't be healthy. Here, I blame liberalism/progressivism as a whole, which has grown feckless and lazy, preferring the passivity of "choice" over actively standing up for rights. Leaving their agenda in the hands of Madison Avenue is just one example among many. If they were actually doing their job, all this rainbow-themed merch wouldn't be filling the vacuum.

So, Salty (and everyone else): thoughts on my thoughts?

[–]OPPRESSED_REPTILIANIntersex male | GNC | Don't call me "a gay", "twink" or "queen"[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

  1. I fail to understand how it's some kind of brave, woke, political message. Both now and in the past. It really doesn't matter and I can't see it as anything other than A) painting a target on yourself or B) being a narcissistic asshat.

  2. Ideally yes, but the problem is that the woke brigade don't fucking listen - saying "hey don't put an I in LGBT, here's why" doesn't seem to work, so "we use DSD instead of intersex now" isn't going to have an impact either. And then you've got idiots like the NHS and Wikipedia falsely claiming that DSD is "offensive" when literally no one with a DSD is ever claiming that.

  3. Lol I think you know all too well I don't believe in this "be who you are" nonsense. Homosexuality isn't some dramatic touching story of "WHO YOU ARE INSIDE," it's a defect and, depending on your life, it can be a minor one. I mean, coming out as homosexual and claiming it's "WHO I AM" would be like going on stage and delivering a big, theatrical speech about how I've always had extra long, flexible fingers and that it's "who I am," and that having freakishly different hands is like, the core of my identity and makes me a more brave & stunning person to ever exist. Basically in short - one, it's not important, and two, nobody fucking cares. If you can live with your defects, cool, but let's not pretend that announcing them is some brave and stunning political move, it really isn't.

If "Hey I have a disorder of sexual development and I don't entirely hate it" isn't #REVOLUTIONARY then "I suck dicks" isn't either. Defects are defects. View yours as you will but don't act like they're some god-given gift and for the love of all that is holy, do not insist that other people's defects are magical and that they need to view them that way, you'll just seem like a giant asshole.

  1. The problem is I don't believe there is an underlying movement. I literally do not believe it's anything other than a capitalistic narcissist party. Never seen any evidence of any "movement" that wasn't performative or based on bullshit (similar to how TRAs think they're revolutionary and brave for stating their pronouns - "LGB" thinks it's stunning & brave for saying that STD-infested backalley gay hookup bars shouldn't be closed down due to health risks". I don't believe they can correctly "do their job" because there's no job to do, it's all virtue signalling and non-issues. Ever notice how most people who complain about "homophobia" are people who live in "progressive" countries where homosexuals don't lack any rights at all? Yeah. That.