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[–]julesburm1891 42 insightful - 1 fun42 insightful - 0 fun43 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

I’m stuck on all the transwomen in this thread saying that it’s unfair for a lesbian to turn down a transwoman who’s had bottom surgery. Lesbians want vaginas and every other characteristic embodied in the female sex. We don’t want a male and we certainly don’t want a penis, surgically inverted or otherwise.

[–]deliciousdogfoodmy name isnt a puppyplay reference i swear 32 insightful - 1 fun32 insightful - 0 fun33 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

The fact that you have to qualify the rejection with any further information at all is disgusting.

No means NO, and no amount of woke rape rhetoric will ever change that.

[–]Rosefield 19 insightful - 13 fun19 insightful - 12 fun20 insightful - 13 fun -  (0 children)

No = transphobic

[–]yousaythosethingsFind and Replace "gatekeeping" with "having boundaries" 23 insightful - 1 fun23 insightful - 0 fun24 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I still shudder when I think about my early days in r/AL and I saw people making this distinction. It's before I learned about autogynephilia and I remember reading all the comments about how post-OP genitalia were indistinguishable and how there is NO excuse for preferring "cis" female genitalia and how that was body shaming and whatnot. I shudder because I think about what kind of mental gymnastics I was trying to contort myself into while thinking "could I be into that" and "that doesn't really sound appealing" and "how is this a human rights issue." Add in the comments I would see about how no one has a right to know the natal sex of their sexual or romantic partner because that's just "private, medical information." These attitudes and comments were confusing and off-putting, but also stated so matter-of-factly, frequently, and with the support of a large volume of upvotes that I really felt like I was missing something, and I noticed there was no discussion or debate allowed. Once I stumbled upon the words "cotton ceiling" and simultaneous summary dismissal of the fact that this rhetoric was even a thing ("this never happens" and "that's TERF propaganda"), it all clicked. I think it was from going to the GCDebatesQT subreddit that I was able to see some semblance of discussion that put everything in perspective. No wonder that subreddit got banned. As soon as discussion is allowed, trans propaganda falls apart.

[–]luckystar 8 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 0 fun9 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Thank you for saying this. A vaginoplasty cannot self lubricate (at least not with the same thing as women, because men lack those glands), cannot grip (it is a hole, a real vagina is a muscle), usually can't take very deep penetration (unlike a real vagina which expands upon arousal), and more often than not looks very obviously not like the real deal. Not to mention the risks of poop smell & hair growing on the inside. And that's just for sexual intercourse, a vaginoplasty also obviously cannot birth a child or menstruate either.
They're really just flesh tubes to be pounded. Because that's what men think women are for.