DiscussionWhy are lesbians more compliant with TRA than gay men?

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[–]julesburm1891 58 insightful - 3 fun58 insightful - 2 fun59 insightful - 3 fun -  (3 children)

  1. Socialization: Women are socialized to be nice and make others comfortable our entire life. It’s not surprising lesbians were initially nice to transwomen.

  2. Reactions to Women Breaking Socialization Norms: Watch how you and everyone else around reacts the next time you see a woman voice frustration with someone. (Hint: it will probably involve her being called a bitch, being called crazy, and/or being mocked. It doesn’t matter if she was totally in line or no one would bat an eye if a guy did the same thing.) A lot of times we will bite our tongues even if we’re furious or sick of something because we don’t want to deal with the fallout.

  3. Harassment/Threats: Tbh, I don’t know what happens after gay guys shut down trans shit online. What often happens after lesbians do it is that we get graphic rape and death threats in our inbox. What always happens is that we’re banned from the sub.

  4. Actual Violence: Trans people love to complain that people misgendering them is literal violence. Women (lesbian or otherwise) who stand up to trans nonsense irl face actual violence. Whether it’s meetings being attacked, spaces being vandalized, or women be assaulted, it’s real and scary. There’s also the risk that we’ll lose our jobs.

  5. Insidious Transwomen: A couple of weeks ago, someone posted a terrorism manifesto (I don’t know what else to call it) from a transwoman obsessed with Vancouver Rape Relief. One of the strategies he encouraged was infiltrating groups. Basically: get one transwoman or one ally into a group’s leadership and use them to get more and more people in leadership roles. Then use this power to kick out the original women the group was for. I absolutely believe this is exactly what happened with AL along with pretty much every other lesbian or LGB space. Change my mind.

[–]Maeven 25 insightful - 2 fun25 insightful - 1 fun26 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

I think infiltration has been their MO for everything. And its why they are paranoid about maintaining ideological purity. They're afraid of infiltrators because they know how easy it is and because that hold on power is more tenuous that in looks. They can only maintain power through fanaticism and suppression of people with independent thoughts.

[–]julesburm1891 25 insightful - 2 fun25 insightful - 1 fun26 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

I don’t want to sound like a nutcase, but here it goes. I finished reading The Cultural Revolution: A People’s History by Frank Dikötter today and so much felt familiar. I’m not saying that the trans rights movement is equivalent to Maoist China or that our setbacks are equivalent to the horrors the Chinese people went through. I am saying that the radicalization, the denial of facts, the desire to tear down any institution that didn’t reinforce their narrative, the obsession of ideological purity, the witch hunts, the use of violence on dissenters, and the public humiliation of people who fell out of line sounds exactly like the climate of the trans movement.

[–]notdelusionalbased faggot 16 insightful - 1 fun16 insightful - 0 fun17 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

There are significant overlaps with queer theory and other critical theories. Maoism, marxism, it's all sort of inherited. Look at the BLM stuff, it's no mistake that the trans thing is front and center. Creepy as fuck.