LGB ErasurePercentage of usage of LGBT words in Stonewall's annual reports. Similar results with Equality Networks publications and GLAAD

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[–]oyasuminasai50 11 insightful - 2 fun11 insightful - 1 fun12 insightful - 2 fun -  (7 children)

Same with HRC and GLAAD. No one wants to lose their jobs. As much as nonprofits work on solving social problems, they generally don't throw their hands up once the problem has mostly gone away. Even if the consolidated end goal of any nonprofit is - arguably - to put themselves out of existence. So they shift their target to new "problems."

The only way everyone at HRC and GLAAD keeps their jobs is to convince donors that LGBT rights are increasingly under attack, no matter how much progress we've objectively made.

[–]LisaNewcarr 8 insightful - 2 fun8 insightful - 1 fun9 insightful - 2 fun -  (6 children)

If "trans rights" consist of forcing lesbians to have sex with biological men, maybe trans people shouldn't have rights?

[–][deleted] 9 insightful - 2 fun9 insightful - 1 fun10 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

Their rights aren't the issue. Everyone deserves their rights, freedoms and dignity.

The issue here is primarily that transgenderism has nothing to do with sexual orientation and thus doesn't fit with the LGB. There was a time when we stood in solidarity for equal rights, fair treatment and anti-discrimination. It was necessary and made sense. That time has largely passed and our issues have diverged and are no longer identical.

This is a good thing--it speaks of how far we've come and how much we've gained over the decades that we are able to go our own ways and fight for our own interests.

The 'drop the T' founding issues largely stem from homophobia and bigotry directed towards LGB people (conveniently ignoring straight people) for not having a sexual, romantic and emotional interest in transgendered people, and arguments attempting to erase our sexualities and sexual identities--claiming that they don't exist, that they're "preferences", even going so far as threats of harm against those who don't acquiesce.

There is also an attack on people who refuse to bow to the belief that trans people are actual men or actual women, and that trans people should fit into spaces unique to men and women, and spaces unique to gay men and lesbian women.

The current atmosphere is increasingly anti-science and pro-'feelings', which is enough to grate anyone who respects reality and fact-based evidence above personal, subjective motivations and experiences.

I don't think anyone here is or ever has been against trans people having their rights, freedoms and dignity respected. We simply acknowledge that transgendered people are transgendered, and that however trans people want to categorise themselves, they fundamentally remain transgendered first and foremost.

I think that ultimately the goal is to simply 'live and let live'--stop trying to coerce, guilt and manipulate people into relationships and sexualities that aren't theirs. Accept that being transgendered doesn't make you a 'man' or a 'woman' and that that's fine. You can dress however you want, modify your body however you want, behave however you want, call yourself whatever you want--but that doesn't make you something that you're not.

You will always find someone out there who wants to be with you. But however those people choose to identify, they aren't gay, bi or straight.

The biggest issue I've come across in all of this is that transgendered people struggle to accept themselves (no doubt due to their dysphoria) as they are. But however you wash it, you were born something you feel you're not--that makes you trans. You will always be trans.

In that regard, being trans isn't all that different from being gay, bi or straight, black, white or Asian--you'll never be what you're not, and that's something we all have to come to terms with. It's part of facing up to reality and coming terms with what is; growing up, learning to like yourself.

/rant

[–]indeepshadowsBi woman 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Perfectly put.

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Thank you ^ ^ ;

[–][deleted] 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

Maybe you shouldn't insinuate trans people shouldn't have rights, and instead focus on resolving the actual problem.

[–][deleted] 9 insightful - 1 fun9 insightful - 0 fun10 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

I think it's acceptable to criticize the concept of "trans rights" and to question what, exactly, they think they've a right to. Individuals are the ones who have rights, categories of individuals do not. Reason being that, if groups have rights over individuals, then the concept of "a right" ceases to be coherent (it becomes a privilege). You start having superiority, instead of individual freedom.

Put another way, "Human rights" are the only rights that do, or ought to, exist. I would say, instead of "trans rights are human rights", that "human rights are trans rights". Given how frequently it seems to me that trans activists declare transphobia from homosexual men and women not finding the opposite sex attractive in spite of their ideas about themselves, it certainly seems to me that by "trans rights" they mean trans people demand special right to demand attraction from people not attracted to them. Also, to demand you think of them as they do. Meanwhile, no individual has the right to your attraction, let alone a right to your thoughts, let alone to demand you see someone as they see themselves.

Thus, in my view, "trans rights" aren't about rights. They're about control.

[–]jiljol 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I think it's acceptable to criticize the concept of "trans rights" and to question what, exactly, they think they've a right to

Do they mean employment and housing discrimination? Sure, no one should be discriminated against because of the way they live their lives as long as it is within the law.

Do they mean synthetic hormones and plastic surgeries? They already have access to those things, so.

Do they mean removing all forms of screening and lowering the age of consent for synthetic hormones and plastic surgeries? Now you're getting ahead of yourself.

Do they mean "do as I say or I'll call you a bigot"? Welp.