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[–]PainfulTruthsMatter 76 insightful - 1 fun76 insightful - 0 fun77 insightful - 1 fun -  (6 children)

And they got away with their demands by constantly saying "what's the harm? we're just asking for respect". In a lot of ways, they used the success and the same arguments made by the LGB movement to gain traction in society, and we all told ourselves we were doing the right thing by being accepting. But LGB people never made unscientific claims about their own identity; it was simply that people should have the right to be romantically or sexually involved with the same sex. That was it.

Meanwhile, the trans movement was founded on delusion, and then more and more delusional demands until trans ideology was built up to where it is now: a ridiculous house of cards, relying on society to go along with its lies, capable of telling people homophobia is progressive and validating, and that women are not allowed to have their own space, their own sporting events, and that science that shows sexual dimorphism is literally bigotry.

I am male, and I have raged at my friends when they make casual jokes about how JK Rowling is a transphobe, and don't realize how infuriating it is to hear them mansplaining how her feelings are transphobic and therefore invalid even though the lot of them haven't even bothered to read her essay. A lot of gay men are thankfully waking up to the fact that lesbians are in real danger from the movement, but there's still a lot of gay men who haven't realized that they're extremely fortunate that purely because of the sex they were born as they're not currently in the crosshairs of the transgender movement's ire, and that women are actively under attack by a well-organized group of delusional heterosexual males. It's fucking infuriating to see heterosexual men shaming lesbians for not wanting "girldick" of all things, or a women's shelter having dead rats nailed to their door and defunded because they specifically do not shelter people of the male sex, for the sake of the women they're serving. The entire movement that was built up during the Stonewall era has been invaded by a parasite that's going to tear us apart and set the gay rights movement back centuries at this rate!

[–][deleted] 32 insightful - 1 fun32 insightful - 0 fun33 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

So beautifully written. I really appreciate that you wrote this.

[–]PenseePansyBio-Sex or Bust 11 insightful - 1 fun11 insightful - 0 fun12 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

So well said!

And while I am of course glad to hear these sentiments from anybody (esp. today of all days...), coming from a guy? Really means a lot.

Yeah, it's unbelievable, isn't it? To find ourselves-- LGB, women-- expected to kowtow to this mean-spirited, destructive absurdity. And run outta town if we won't.

Really like something out of a horror movie.

[–]PainfulTruthsMatter 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

The reality is that the gay (male) community needs to really step up its vocal support of women who are speaking out against this far more than it currently is. Women are perfectly capable of fighting for their own rights of course (women's suffrage is a testament to this), but the trans lobby wants to frame the women speaking out against the abuses of the trans movement as something like "bad feminism" or "bad lesbians", and claim that it's not representative of the LGB community. They benefit from using this as a wedge to frame lesbians who speak out against it as not being true members of the LGB community.

For everyone's benefit the sane members of the LGB community all need to speak out about these issues, because it signals that it's okay to be critical of the claims of the trans community, essentially helping to normalize it and showing that criticism of the trans community is far more widespread than they'd have you believe. For the sake of everyone being hurt by this (women, children, even the members of the trans community), we need to shift the power and attention away from the trans community, who want very badly to maintain control of the public discourse, and have so far been very successful despite being a minority (a very, very vocal and belligerent minority).

[–]Ricky_Ticky 10 insightful - 1 fun10 insightful - 0 fun11 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Thank you from a gay woman

[–]puffball 8 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 0 fun9 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

and set the gay rights movement back centuries at this rate!

No, unfortunately not. While there have always been a minority who have seen LGB as the enemy, the vast majority of people never cared much either way. They'd parrot the party line, and if they'd been fed a lot of it, maybe they were a bit uncomfortable when aware of being in the company of LGB people. The real hate and vitriol, however, was limited.

This is why the broad reversal of public acceptance was possible. For the majority, people being LGB just wasn't something that affected their day-to-day life, and their aversion, if any, was in the abstract and mostly fueled by rhetoric based on "facts" that could not hold up even to a casual examination.

What the TRAs are doing now, however, affects the general public in many direct ways in both direct and indirect ways, with the bulk of the negatives not being immediately obvious, which is why we haven't seen more of a backlash yet. And they are doing all of this under the LGBTQ+ banner, which means that when the backlash comes, it will not target the TQ+ specifically.

Instead it will refer to the evils brought on the public by the "homosexual agenda" etc, since the old LGB-hating minority will most likely be the ones ready and able to lead the counterattack under the battlecry of "we told you so!".

Unlike the previous times they've lead the charge, this time much more of the general public will have a personal stake in the outcome, their own grudges to settle and feel that they previously tried "live and let live", and tried giving an inch, only to have LGBTQ+ advocating violence against them and coming for the whole arm.

Unless the LGB and its allies can successfully divorce themselves from the TQ+ in the minds of the general public, by separating from the TQ+ organizationally, publicly calling out and opposing the TQ+ insanity, and show how the LGB is at least as much of a victim of the TQ+ agenda as the general public, I fear that we will the ones who end up taking the brunt of the backlash, once it inevitably comes.

[–]PainfulTruthsMatter 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I fear that we will the ones who end up taking the brunt of the backlash, once it inevitably comes.

Yeah. There's a real and deserved backlash against TQ+, but there's the potential that religious conservatives will use that as momentum to also attack gay rights at the same time. Society as a whole didn't believe Trump could happen even though we saw the warning signs, it's the same thing really. We take for granted that as a society we've made massive advancements for the LGB community but we have to assume that those could just as easily come under assault at some point.