Anti-woke leftist looking for a place with less brain-rot.

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    [–]Markimus 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (7 children)

    I don't have any fascist beliefs.

    You're not anti-usury, speculation and rentseeking? You're not anti-capitalist and all forms of unproductive wealth?

    is a far-right ideology that's all about putting power in the hands of the few

    lol..? Fascists created the best state for the ordinary man to live under on the planet while it existed. There's nothing that even comes close to the achievements of the Volksgemeinschaft, German Labour Front, Strength Through Joy etc programs the Germans implemented.

    Leftist ideologies are about putting power in the hands of the many and liberating the masses.

    Also, liberalism is not leftist.

    You're literally describing Liberal/Anarchist ontology here then saying Liberalism isn't Leftist?

    I was referring to the relevant parts of liberalism as in individualism and class reductionism IE race doesn't matter! despite immigration and diversity explicitly being used by businesses to strike bust, drive down wages and break up worker solidarity. If you're not willing to abandon the liberal worldview you can never even come close to actually fighting class war.

    Your problem is with power/authority existing not class relations IE you're a LIBERAL, not a leftist. I thought you were a tankie or something not a radlib, my bad.

    [–]bobbobbybob 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

    /pol/ was a powerful educator

    [–]Markimus 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

    What do you mean?

    [–]bobbobbybob 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    many people contributed to /pol/, and many political discussions were had. Truth and reality grew from that, and people this decade have a far deeper understanding of reality than they did last decade.

    but if you got there without /pol/, good on you

    [–]flugegeheimen 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

    lol..? Fascists created the best state for the ordinary man to live under on the planet while it existed. There's nothing that even comes close to the achievements of the Volksgemeinschaft, German Labour Front, Strength Through Joy etc programs the Germans implemented.

    Besides being incorrect, you don't really address his point of "Fascism ... is a far-right ideology that's all about putting power in the hands of the few" at all.

    [–]Markimus 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

    'Far right' means what? It's a meaningless term. 'Putting power in the hands of the few' describes literally every political system ever, there's nothing to be argued about.

    [–]flugegeheimen 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

    In cavemen style explanation:

    the left are for equality. Taken to the extreme it's communism where everyone is robbed and plunders are shared equally.

    the right are for inequality (some groups are inherently better than others). Taken to the extreme it's Nazism where "bad" groups are purged or enslaved (or both).

    These ideological camps are polar opposites even if their practical implementations often succumb to reality demands/common sense and do something they claim to be against (e.g. Lueger's "I determine who is a Jew").

    [–]Markimus 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    That's just your left and right. Others use it to mean economically, on the economic axis fascism is left wing. Some mean social conservatism vs progressivism, on this axis fascism is right wing. Some mean 'size of government' on this axis fascism is 'far left' and anarchism is 'far right'. Some mean inequality vs hierarchy like your example. These descriptions are utterly meaningless because everyone uses a different left/right and these terms are literally only used to characterise and demonise people in stupid ways instead of actually discussing ideas like adults.

    [–]bobbobbybob 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    Do you understand where fascism comes from? The bundle of sticks, people united and working together.

    It is used as a derogatory term now, but has deep roots in people movements. I'd say it was more populist than marxism, with the power granted to the state, rather than the state granting power to the people.

    [–]Chipit 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    Negative! Fascism grew directly out of socialism. It was all about empowering the working class, erasing class divisions in society, the professor is the same as a janitor, etc. See: http://www.la-articles.org.uk/fascism.htm

    [–]Chipit 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    Negative! Fascism grew directly out of socialism. It was all about empowering the working class, erasing class divisions in society, the professor is the same as a janitor, etc. See: http://www.la-articles.org.uk/fascism.htm