you are viewing a single comment's thread.

view the rest of the comments →

[–]JasonCarswell 5 insightful - 7 fun5 insightful - 6 fun6 insightful - 7 fun -  (11 children)

Nonsense.

Men are oppressed just as much as women are, in different ways. There is no shortage of men who have no access to their children, yet are forced to pay child support for life. Domestic violence is almost half done by women yet there are almost no safe places established for men. Most dangerous jobs are done by men and there still isn't universal health care.

The ruling class are the oppressors, not men or the stupid propaganda "patriarcy" nonsense.

[–]SnowAssMan[S] 12 insightful - 1 fun12 insightful - 0 fun13 insightful - 1 fun -  (8 children)

Just as much? Do you think culture doesn't exist? Our culture is androcentric. There is the normative & the othered in every culture. In the West men are normative , women are othered, white people are normative, black people are othered, the middle & upper classes are normative, while the working-classes are othered.

86% of victims of violent acts by a significant other were female https://www.bjs.gov/content/pub/pdf/fvs03.pdf

77% of people injured by an intimate partner were female https://www.cdc.gov/violenceprevention/pdf/nisvs_report2010-a.pdf

72% of intimate partner victimizations resulting in serious physical injury were female, perpetrated by male: https://www.bjs.gov/content/pub/pdf/ipvav9311.pdf

Research reviews have concluded that the majority of women's physical violence against (intimate partner/domestic violence) men is in response to being abused by those men: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2968709/

77% of all domestic homicide victims are female: According to the Supplementary Homicide Reports of the FBI’s Uniform Crime Reporting Program in 2005, 1,181 females and 329 males were killed by their intimate partners. https://www.ncjrs.gov/pdffiles1/nij/grants/222320.pdf

In the cases of male homicide victims, usually the victim was an abuser: http://ncdsv.org/images/If%20I%20had%20one%20more%20day_Fatality%20Review_2006.pdf

Similarly, male victims of domestic violence homicides are much more likely than female victims to have been identified previously as abusers of their eventual killers: https://www.ncjrs.gov/App/Publications/abstract.aspx?ID=130043

Women do the majority of unpaid labour, in the private-sphere. So when they get murdered in their own homes, that's a form of "death at the work place", which is never recorded as such. In addition to that sex work is the most dangerous job, even more so than being sent into a war zone.

Just because courts find that mothers are more suitable custodial parents than fathers isn't enough to prove that this is due to bias on the court's part. Is there any evidence that fathers on average are just as suitable? Women have to go out of their way to file for child support & all the guy has to do is say he hasn't got money, resolving himself of responsibility, whereas she has to find the money whether she can afford it or not.

Our culture is androcentric, which has lead to systemic sexism. This refers to the fact that along with explicit, there is also implicit sexism, which everyone suffers from, from birth to death, from a girl's parents, to employers, & everyone else. Parents literally underestimate the crawling abilities of their own daughters. Blind auditions & anonymous resumés result in a higher yield of female employees, revealing the bias that employers normally have. Parents pay their daughters less pocket money than their sons even. The list goes on & on. The fact that everyone has the same exact anti-woman bias, including women themselves is referred to as sexism/male privilege. Social privilege means spared injustice. Men can be discriminated against for being poor, or black etc. but face no gender-based discrimination. Even in jobs that are more commonly associated with women, men still generally encounter structural advantages. The phenomenon is called: the glass escalator.

Men hold the majority of the highest paid & most influential positions – that's patriarchy. Patriarchy is measurable. Look at the Matrix of Domination, under: Benefits among gender, Wage gap among gender, Representation among gender:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Matrix_of_domination

[–]JasonCarswell 3 insightful - 8 fun3 insightful - 7 fun4 insightful - 8 fun -  (7 children)

TL;DR.

[–]SnowAssMan[S] 9 insightful - 3 fun9 insightful - 2 fun10 insightful - 3 fun -  (6 children)

Basically domestic violence is not a men's issue, at all. It's through & through a women's issue.

[–]JasonCarswell 3 insightful - 6 fun3 insightful - 5 fun4 insightful - 6 fun -  (3 children)

L I A R !

[–]SnowAssMan[S] 7 insightful - 5 fun7 insightful - 4 fun8 insightful - 5 fun -  (2 children)

I literally posted sources

[–]JasonCarswell 4 insightful - 6 fun4 insightful - 5 fun5 insightful - 6 fun -  (1 child)

Then they are lying sources and you're pushing misinfo.

Women can most DEFINITELY be violent in the home.

That's NOT just movie make believe.

Denial makes of something so obvious makes you obviously dogmatic and beyond reason with your head up your blind beliefs.

[–]SnowAssMan[S] 10 insightful - 1 fun10 insightful - 0 fun11 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

The sources (from the most well-recognised bodies on these matters) I furnished you with expose your massive false equivalence for what it is. You're governed by your feelings – misogynistic feelings. Here are the links again for your edification:

86% of victims of violent acts by a significant other were female

https://www.bjs.gov/content/pub/pdf/fvs03.pdf

77% of people injured by an intimate partner were female

https://www.cdc.gov/violenceprevention/pdf/nisvs_report2010-a.pdf

72% of intimate partner victimizations resulting in serious physical injury were female, perpetrated by male:

https://www.bjs.gov/content/pub/pdf/ipvav9311.pdf

Research reviews have concluded that the majority of women's physical violence against (intimate partner/domestic violence) men is in response to being abused by those men:

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2968709/

77% of all domestic homicide victims are female: According to the Supplementary Homicide Reports of the FBI’s Uniform Crime Reporting Program in 2005, 1,181 females and 329 males were killed by their intimate partners.

https://www.ncjrs.gov/pdffiles1/nij/grants/222320.pdf

In the cases of male homicide victims, usually the victim was an abuser:

http://ncdsv.org/images/If%20I%20had%20one%20more%20day_Fatality%20Review_2006.pdf

Similarly, male victims of domestic violence homicides are much more likely than female victims to have been identified previously as abusers of their eventual killers:

https://www.ncjrs.gov/App/Publications/abstract.aspx?ID=130043

[–]againstsinglemother2 2 insightful - 3 fun2 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 3 fun -  (1 child)

I think you're the one who misses a lot of dick here, for defending a XY who's the same shit like all the others, in a RADFEM sub. Are you even aware of how stupid you sound? Even women who aren't feminists know deep down, in their instincts, that men are all the same. And then you dumb down yourself to coddle and protect your almighty dad. He's just as gross as every other man, DEAL WITH IT. He has a penis, an Y chromosome and testosterone and was born in the same patriarchal shit all men are born. DEAL. WITH.IT.

I understand this is a high cope, but stop with the handmaiden dumbassery, you look like a fucking clown.

[–]SnowAssMan[S] 6 insightful - 5 fun6 insightful - 4 fun7 insightful - 5 fun -  (0 children)

I can't make head nor tail of what you're trying to say.

[–]SeahorseLT 5 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

Don't want to make you mad or anything, it's a legit question: Why don't men go and build shelters and stuff for other men? Where's the solidarity?

[–]JasonCarswell 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I think that is tremendously insightful and an excellent point. IMO, it seems more that slightly suspect - almost as it something's rigged or oppressed, but that's speculation, so in short - I don't know. And, in fact it's such a good question, I'm going to ask it of some folks who might know.

I wasn't following any Men's Rights folks before I recently started finding "Men Are Good!" on YouTube. I've left the same comment on their most recent video but I don't do Twitter. Hopefully they'll notice and explain that shelter gap question.