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[–]MarkTwainiac 11 insightful - 1 fun11 insightful - 0 fun12 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

If CAIS individuals do not have ovaries, and have testes or penises instead, as said above, they are not girls, women, or female. They are boys, men or male.

Where did you get the idea that persons with CAIS have penises? It's not "as said above" like you claim.

The way you speak of "testes or penises" makes them sound as if they are interchangeable and always go hand in hand. They are not interchangeable, and do not always go hand in hand. In a number of male DSDs, the testes function fine but remain undescended, and the penis does not develop fully, properly or at all. With medical assistance, some persons with certain XY DSDs who don't have penises can father children.

As a general rule, I think it's best to leave people with rare medical conditions over which they have no control out of the convo about trans completely. That's what people with DSDs have repeatedly asked TRAs to do. People with DSDs have a hard enough time as it is. I don't see the purpose in using them to try to score points in discussions and debates that have nothing to do with them.

I also object to the way that people who have not put in the time & work to become well-informed about DSDs often breezily make blanket statements about them that are often misleading or completely inaccurate - and mean-spirited to boot. To me, this only adds to the stigmatization, othering and monstering that persons with DSDs already face.

However, in convos about women's sport, the nature of XY DSDs are pertinent and require frank and detailed discussion - and IMO the actions of particular individual athletes with XY DSDs are fair game for criticism. Because the fact is, a large number of adults with XY DSDs like Caster Semenya and Margaret Niyonsaba have made the choice to "weaponize" their DSDs and use them knowingly to cheat in women's sports. Moreover, some athletes with XY DSDs have used their rare conditions to argue that female people don't deserve fair play in sports, and that eligibility for female competition should be based not on biological sex but on "gender identity," how "feminine" individual athletes claim to feel, and whether they were raised (or claim to have been raised) as females as in the landmark legal cases of XY athletes Maria José Martínez-Patiño and Dutee Chand, both of whom have some degree of AIS.